nothing as thought out as tim f to add, but totally agree with the thoughts on marcus playing some ramadanman or mosca - funky djs play stuff that fits funky, not just cos its ramandanman, which is how it should be, a certain aesthetic that rules what is accepted and what isnt, a la timo maas getting played by ukg djs.
but as someone else has prob said, re: the whole idea of this music not being hard or 'rude' (though i hate that term) or just not direct enough (tho in fairness a lot of night slugs stuff is pretty direct and not as nerdy/shy/reserved/tentative as a lot of other stuff and i like it much more than i initially did - its got a certain energy about it, these guys know how to make DANCE music), a lot of classic populist jungle or garage was not just 'rude', it was also abstract, sci-fi, soulful, jazzy (dont forget this one!) and so on and so on. i understand the drive towards the straight banger end of things to redress how the critical scales seem so tipped in favour of the 'intelligent' stuff being made (tho hasnt this always been the case, that ukg and jungle were never really favoured by even dance music people, never mind the rock press), but the populist stuff was never one sided. that said, of course theres a diff between a lot of the post dubstep stuff and the more abstract stuff from say dem 2 or photek or whoever - i think thats cos its its own thing, its not feeding into the centre, so doesnt have to play by any central 'scene'/'sound' rules, simply because there isnt one anymore, by and large, everything has its own niche. i mean, even grime, tho it didnt have any sort of 'intelligent' or 'progressive' faction to draw lines between (occasionally i wish it did have that actually, rather than just a split between the pop stuff and underground), you had guys like terror danjah or geeneus who were making really intricate, 'abstract' or more out there stuff alongside your meat and potatoes guys like mr slash, but it was all aimed at the same place so there was a certain commonality that bonded it all together.
but as someone else has prob said, re: the whole idea of this music not being hard or 'rude' (though i hate that term) or just not direct enough (tho in fairness a lot of night slugs stuff is pretty direct and not as nerdy/shy/reserved/tentative as a lot of other stuff and i like it much more than i initially did - its got a certain energy about it, these guys know how to make DANCE music), a lot of classic populist jungle or garage was not just 'rude', it was also abstract, sci-fi, soulful, jazzy (dont forget this one!) and so on and so on. i understand the drive towards the straight banger end of things to redress how the critical scales seem so tipped in favour of the 'intelligent' stuff being made (tho hasnt this always been the case, that ukg and jungle were never really favoured by even dance music people, never mind the rock press), but the populist stuff was never one sided. that said, of course theres a diff between a lot of the post dubstep stuff and the more abstract stuff from say dem 2 or photek or whoever - i think thats cos its its own thing, its not feeding into the centre, so doesnt have to play by any central 'scene'/'sound' rules, simply because there isnt one anymore, by and large, everything has its own niche. i mean, even grime, tho it didnt have any sort of 'intelligent' or 'progressive' faction to draw lines between (occasionally i wish it did have that actually, rather than just a split between the pop stuff and underground), you had guys like terror danjah or geeneus who were making really intricate, 'abstract' or more out there stuff alongside your meat and potatoes guys like mr slash, but it was all aimed at the same place so there was a certain commonality that bonded it all together.
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