oy vey! reading a little much into my comment, i think.
perhaps a little. but it's the general gist of what most people here are saying.
oy vey! reading a little much into my comment, i think.
i am in the position to judge others because obviously MY passion/obsession/area of interest is IMPORTANT while other people's are STUPID.
these Players are actually just more honest about it
It's missing a 4th picture of the same woman in a club with a drink and a player feeding her some line and her giggling.....
well nah you've totally missed the point then certainly the problem never was frivolity of all things.
(aside from which, pot-kettle-black times a thousand)
to be honest bro I'm so tired of that tired line of reasoning. that these dudes of all people are claiming greater honesty. as it if weren't entirely possible to just be honest w/o all that guff as if the only way to be "more honest" was to devote yourself to the systematization of delivering glib lines which are, let's be honest, anything but honest. again I'll leave moral judgments to man's own consciences but please enough with the more honest talk, which honestly only ever sounds like assuaging of somewhat guilty aforementioned consciences.
Yeah, your definitely right.their mind control techniques must be more powerful than i can imagine.
You showed me that clip, I don't think that Ross Jefferies is as ugly as everyone says.
Wouldn't it be more honest to admit you just want a good fuck and will do it at womens expense with little regard for anything more than yr own orgasm?
Or are they already admitting that?
Apologies if I'm way off... A lot of this seems to be waaay over my head
a simple example: i start chatting up a beautiful woman at the bar, and within the first few minutes she says "buy me a drink?" 9 times out of 10 in the past i would have, in my ignorance, bought her that drink, to show my generosity, whatever. but the reality, however sad or silly, is that by immediately buying that drink (jumping through the hoop she holds out), i have lost respect in her eyes. and what usually happens is at most a few more minutes of conversation, and she walks away.
I think the problem with the line Zhao's posted is that it assumes there's some sort of magical key to female responses and behaviour. Some women might feel they're in the presence of someone cool if you don't buy them a drink, some might think you're cheap, someone you buy a drink for might be all over you. That's one of many things wrong with this stuff - it's trying to extract rules about social interaction, but seems to miss the fact that - newsflash - people are different.
How is it necessarily at a woman's "expense"? If half of what comelately is saying is true, he can make women climax pretty much by winking at them - of course, this is an Internet Sex Boast and all usual caveats apply - but it's stupid and old-fashioned (and, ironically, sexist) to assume that every casual hook-up is a case of a man 'taking advantage of' a woman. Plenty of women like casual sex, you know, or at least have had casual sex without having been 'tricked' into it.
all people, men AND women, follow fairly rigid rules of interaction in social situations within any society. there is etiquette, there is perceived value, there is negotiation based on those values. there are multiple layers of largely unsaid and often subtle codes, rules and behavior patterns -- and most of us are so used to them that we don't even see them, or recognize them as such. we simply act accordingly and if we ever stop to to think about these things at all, which is very rare, we think "well naturally, that's the way it is
9 out of 10 times, 99 out of 100 times, people will behave predictably, and respond predictably (to body language, language, etc.).
Well sure it doesn't have to be at their expense (poor phrasing on my part) let's just say it would be more honest to admit you want a casual fuck and thats that. ...Or is that what the PUA's are saying? (I'm confused)
I'm not sure that this is logical, but it seems that if you're going to step back from something and codify it into a system and so forth you'll get held to higher moral standards than you would if you were just doing something 'everyone does'. I mean, it's actually saying "I've noticed that a lot of flirting actually involves subtle psychological manipulation, and I think that's just great and want to do it more."im not condoning the PUA techniques but I think its worth noting things like NLP, suggestion, "mind control" etc are things that we do naturally anyway most of the time we just dont realise we are doing it or being affected by it. So these kind of things are just stepping back from it and then taking it to extremes.