if New York can die so can London

[luka]

This Invisibles is one of the best books ever written though. Everyone loves it, me, barty, poetix.

 

[woops]

the problem with the invisibles is that the interesting ideas are buried in a dreadful idea of what is cool and the art is a bit crap too compared to eddie campbell or whatever

 

[luka]

The art is of variable quality. Some is good. I like the uncool cool now, give it a period charm.

 

[luka]

I rememeber you saying you haven't read it though Woops?

 

[luka]

Chris Weston is a brilliant artist and he worked on The Invisibles.

 

[luka]

If i can force everyone in dissensus to read just one book it would be the invisibles. That's the one which would do he most good.

 

[luka]

This is brilliant comic book man prose, exemplary

" if you are a feminist forget that you ever heard the name and you can continue to exist in your happy little mythological world). Since it is, by now, common knowledge in the comic book field that I am not a feminist and that I am vehemently opposed to feminism, for anyone in the comic book field to acknowledge that they read Cerebus is a most exceptional circumstance. Owing to the implicitly... expulsive?... quality of feminism, Cerebus has not been mentioned in polite society -- pagan or otherwise -- for some years now."

 

[luka]

The pompous windbag real ale quality it has to it. As if declaring allegiance to some superseded notion of eloquence, 18th century oratory

 

[woops]

i've read a fair bit of it but not in sequence and like i said i cringed hard at quite a lot of it

look at these nob heads, worst NME band ever

lol well embarrassing

 

[luka]

Like a lot of things the quality which makes you recoil on first encounter becomes the quality you love after prolonged exposure

 

[woops]

that must be why we get on

 

[catalog]

i never read cerebus but did either of you read that massive essay that dave sim got cancelled for - is that what you're quoting from luke? there's an exchange between dave sim and chester brown about 'whorephobia' covered in this blog post:" https://amazingcavalieri.blogspot.com/2017/03/in-appreciation-of-chester-browndave.html I couldn't read the whole thing between them. I've never read dave sim but i really like chester brown.

but this sort of lengthy madness is where i sort of stop with him.

dave sim is truly ridiculous in terms of pomposity but he was the only real indie comics creator - incredible that he did 300 issues over 20 years or so and basically did it all himself and earned a living from it.

i really liked the art in from hell first time around but not so much the next time, just too difficult. i think watchmen art is very good, just simple and in service of story. invisibles was a bit garish i agree woops. it just seemed very juvenile to me and couldn't get into it.

i would highly recommend chester brown's 'mary wept over the feet of jesus' i love his art and whilst his writing is patchy and he's obsessed with footnotes and being right, the stories are good too.

 

[woops]

this could be you luke after a clean shave haircut and leap in meta-cognitive abilities

 

[catalog]

grant morrison's brand of magic seems a bit cheap and tacky to me http://pastelegram.org/e/127 i prefer the alan moore version where you become an ancient snake god

 

[luka]

If you read the invisibles we will talk about it. Obviously there's lots for a fastidious person to recoil from but the same could be said for Moore, but more so. The obsession with hideous monsters and monsterously aged, wizened men having sex with pubescent girls and so on.

 

[luka]

I find the teenage boy energy in the Invisibles endearing basically, cars, girls, guns, magic, drugs, music, killing baddies. It's clean and wholesome and good.

 

[catalog]

yeah that was a bit much in providence, even for me. I've no idea why he's so fixated on weird sex, he could do with putting it to one side.

OK - invisibles is back on my radar.

it's worth saying that promethea by moore is a really crap/hackneyed story, i skimmed most of it til you get to that ace issue where he goes through the whole tarot system., which is really good.

 

[luka]

Promethea is the best thing he's done I think. I think it's brilliant.

 

[catalog]

I find the teenage boy energy in the Invisibles endearing basically, cars, girls, guns, magic, drugs, music, killing baddies. It's clean and wholesome and good.

did you read it when you were a teenager?

 

[luka]

no, far from it. I really wish I had it would have done me the world of good.