Conceptual art: what's the point?
- Thread starter Mr. Tea
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I think hirst's horrible new sculpture thing really shows what terrible artists alot of these people secretly are. Its funny though its vbecome such a big thing in modern art even people making skilled/aesthetically interesting things seem to have to conceptualize what they are doing or add some gimmick, to feel secure scratching the chin too.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
I have a very old-fashioned and unfashionable regard for technique and virtuosity for its own sake. I like Glenn Brown, I think:
I mean sure, they look kind of like they could be on the cover of a cheesy sci-fi novel, but I think they're very beautiful.
I guess the logical end point of virtuosity for its own sake is photorealism. But I wonder if this isn't almost a kind of conceptual art in itself, despite having the appearance of being the complete opposite? The concept being, here I am using a traditional medium to produce an image which is essentially indistinguishable from a photograph - photography being the technology that kick-started the move away from naturalistic figurative art in the first place?
I mean sure, they look kind of like they could be on the cover of a cheesy sci-fi novel, but I think they're very beautiful.
I guess the logical end point of virtuosity for its own sake is photorealism. But I wonder if this isn't almost a kind of conceptual art in itself, despite having the appearance of being the complete opposite? The concept being, here I am using a traditional medium to produce an image which is essentially indistinguishable from a photograph - photography being the technology that kick-started the move away from naturalistic figurative art in the first place?
vimothy
yurp
Dude, it's dead, kaput, finished, finito--it's stiff, bereft of life, it rests in peace. How do you think you guys ended up at the top of the food chain, anyway--your winning smile? Manifest destiny?
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
^we were talking about different things. if you meant order in the literal sense of the pre-WWII order of the world, then yes, that is well and buried (or at least mostly dead, it kind of lingers on as a shambling corpse). when I saw "tear down the old order" I thought modernism, zang tumb tuum and whatever. or a 1968 kind of thing. but the level of cultural production, anyway.
there's a woebot bit I remember where he says Neu (I'm pretty sure it was Neu?) was the final legitimately new thing in rock, after which everything is either imitation, or synthesis (postpunk) or variation (say, grindcore) of something preexisting. I think I'm remembering that right.
there's a woebot bit I remember where he says Neu (I'm pretty sure it was Neu?) was the final legitimately new thing in rock, after which everything is either imitation, or synthesis (postpunk) or variation (say, grindcore) of something preexisting. I think I'm remembering that right.
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
also, I dunno if it's relevant but it made me think of this: "chaos was the law of nature, order was the dream of man", penned by the quintessential yankee aristocrat to express his utter bewilderment at the dawn of modernism. actually I think he wrote it the same year marinetti got into the car accident that birthed futurism.
mistersloane
heavy heavy monster sound
Yeah, this kinda why people like/d photorealism. See? You're getting it! Art speak and art language is just like walking through a hall of mirrors, in your head, with words. That's all it is though.
blacktulip
Pregnant with mandrakes
You good people nailed art speak.
One more thing: this book covers many of the area's contradictions and peculiarities and, in fact, did so when most of them emerged way back when. It appears prophetic now since a lot of these concerns have made an impact on the popular consciousness in the past couple decades. It's a really, really great read. Sorry if it's obvious to you folks.
One more thing: this book covers many of the area's contradictions and peculiarities and, in fact, did so when most of them emerged way back when. It appears prophetic now since a lot of these concerns have made an impact on the popular consciousness in the past couple decades. It's a really, really great read. Sorry if it's obvious to you folks.
mistersloane
heavy heavy monster sound
Dave Hickey don't like it :
http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2012/oct/28/art-critic-dave-hickey-quits-art-world
http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2012/oct/28/art-critic-dave-hickey-quits-art-world
mistersloane
heavy heavy monster sound
Yeah. I actually thought I'd written "Dave Hickey has had it" but my mind musta been elsewhere. Weird.
Nice article I thought.
blacktulip
Pregnant with mandrakes
I have only one more thing to say about conceptual art; I fucking love Chris Burden and particularly everything he did in the 1970s.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Heh, there's hope for me yet, in other words?
Leo
Well-known member
...and is the "concept" still valid if it's all washed away?
http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/jerry-saltz-devastating-visit-to-chelsea-galleries.html
http://www.vulture.com/2012/11/jerry-saltz-devastating-visit-to-chelsea-galleries.html
baboon2004
Darned cockwombles.
The double entendre here could give you other options as to what to place on the plinth.