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- a 1000 tunes and not 1 anthem are you really from the ends? attractions including a magician bore to the floor bumming radford on twitter buy my japanese internet house 12 darkside donk deadout didn't they do this in 1986? dominic did a tefl course dominic does streetslang esperanto juggalo even trilliam got bored of this fun with balloons i write for the guardian id rather play fifa im dom indie nuum just house innit know the bubble middle class 30 somethings talk house nuff nuum for continuum radford is older than my dad show me the dance top knot trilliam was right trilliam was wrong upgrunt house who the fuck is mark radford words hurt
whytea
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Couldn't agree more! This really pisses me off, they didn't care when these scenes were at their prime, but only when they became 'cool' and commercially acceptable
For me its amounts to a kind of 'gentrification' of a music scene
gd that u agree and i love the use of the word gentrification but wish u hadnt quoted that lol
more than likely some idiot is gonna reply with the exact argument line i used in the original post and im gonna have to repeat myself
truesay i been repeating myself all thread
more than likely some idiot is gonna reply with the exact argument line i used in the original post and im gonna have to repeat myself
truesay i been repeating myself all thread
Re: Reynolds, I don't have a problem with his 'borderline fetishism for modernism', I think one of the most progressive/liberation/powerful elements of art is it's ability to create wholly new worlds, brand new idea, to literally expand the limits of reality (the 303 acid house bassline didn't exist, then it did, that literally changed our human senses, we might hear another noise now and compare it to that sound). I think art should try to be original, I think when something isn't original that is a bad thing to be held against it and critiqued, even if there are other values apart from originality it can also be judged for. I love deep tech, I love the scene, I think the quality of music is off the charts, but surely you must admit that there is something lost compared to say, hardcore which had wicked music, a wicked scene, and literally was also the birth of not only a new type of music, but a whole new cultural formation?
Buuuuut that said, it's not like there is anything more original than deep tech ATM. It's not like the stuff which is being called experimental (all that new grime, 130 stuff) isn't actually just a pastiche of past forms of experimentalism. I think it's a shame there's not something genuinely popular, genuinely wicked, and genuinely revolutionary like hardcore and grime or whatever, but seeing as that's the case you'd have to be mad not to enjoy what's a massive explosion of energy creating volumes of powerful, wicked music.
Basically there is no one credible working in dance music media now lol. There has been no media response to deep tech, there was no media response to jackin, nobody clocked all the amazing Midlands/northern grime around 2009-20111, nobody clocked the evolution of bassline post Heartbroken into really dark, weird, MC driven, 2-steppy zones with DJ Pantha, UKB and all that.
The last scene of any import the media made any attempt to engage with was Funky. Otherwise 'UK rave music' the last 5 years in the media has come to mean "anything that evolved from Joy Orbison" and "token coverage of Wiley"
Edit: I also think what Reynolds did was make the very powerful argument for the place of things like hardcore, jungle, garage into a history of modernism/the avant guard, along with stuff like post-punk etc. His was a project of claiming for these working class/BME art forms the same respect as we give Joyce and Picasso or whatever, arguing that there's a whole tradition of popular modernism that the official account leaves out. In as far as this is true and he's contributed to a more inclusive, more accurate cultural history, he's done the world a great service. In as far as we're probably only 5-10 years away for a V&A exhibition on garage fashion and Goldie doing adverts for butter, it was probably a total calamity in hindsight lol
Buuuuut that said, it's not like there is anything more original than deep tech ATM. It's not like the stuff which is being called experimental (all that new grime, 130 stuff) isn't actually just a pastiche of past forms of experimentalism. I think it's a shame there's not something genuinely popular, genuinely wicked, and genuinely revolutionary like hardcore and grime or whatever, but seeing as that's the case you'd have to be mad not to enjoy what's a massive explosion of energy creating volumes of powerful, wicked music.
Basically there is no one credible working in dance music media now lol. There has been no media response to deep tech, there was no media response to jackin, nobody clocked all the amazing Midlands/northern grime around 2009-20111, nobody clocked the evolution of bassline post Heartbroken into really dark, weird, MC driven, 2-steppy zones with DJ Pantha, UKB and all that.
The last scene of any import the media made any attempt to engage with was Funky. Otherwise 'UK rave music' the last 5 years in the media has come to mean "anything that evolved from Joy Orbison" and "token coverage of Wiley"
Edit: I also think what Reynolds did was make the very powerful argument for the place of things like hardcore, jungle, garage into a history of modernism/the avant guard, along with stuff like post-punk etc. His was a project of claiming for these working class/BME art forms the same respect as we give Joyce and Picasso or whatever, arguing that there's a whole tradition of popular modernism that the official account leaves out. In as far as this is true and he's contributed to a more inclusive, more accurate cultural history, he's done the world a great service. In as far as we're probably only 5-10 years away for a V&A exhibition on garage fashion and Goldie doing adverts for butter, it was probably a total calamity in hindsight lol
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Oldie but goldie, came across this in a Jamie Jones' recent beatport DJ list of all places...
http://www.beatport.com/track/jackpot-robert-james-remix/3531549
http://www.beatport.com/track/jackpot-robert-james-remix/3531549
whytea
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I don't hate was just abit uncomfortable about using it in a sense of comparing 'what is more 'road'.
wise
bare BARE BONES
free Strange Static EP 
https://soundcloud.com/strangestatic/sets/strange-static-as-we-enter-ep
they're calling it Low-Tech
https://soundcloud.com/strangestatic/sets/strange-static-as-we-enter-ep
they're calling it Low-Tech
whytea
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free Strange Static EP
https://soundcloud.com/strangestatic/sets/strange-static-as-we-enter-ep
they're calling it Low-Tech
'The Master' is sick
they're calling it Low-Tech
who/where
This is not a disaster, this is a rare and important window of opportunity for you Datwun, seize it! If others have fallen off, if others can not see what you feel you can see: show them the error of their ways in your positive actions!
PS. This honestly wasn't a sideways diss as you fam! lol. I've always enjoyed your writing and feel you were really the go to writer on dubstep, grime and funky for much of the 2000s. If you're not feeling what I'm feeling now then it is what it is, but I more just mean a total lack of people doing over-arching writing about whole scenes which actually exist (as opposed to vaporwave or witch house or all the bullshit internet genres).
Trying my best! Combination of lazieness/slowness, plus a month where I duppied coffee on a computer and had to get another one and get the data of the last one, plus living in Japan when the music I cover is in the UK lol.
Making headway on this deep tech article now. Hearing some opinions telling me I should get some more dancefloor observation in there - which would mean me waiting till I'm back in the UK this August to get this damn thing out lol. Other people telling me I'm on the right track as it it. Watch this space, cause it's happening (albeit slowly), and I think it's gonna be really good once it's out there!
oh of course not and i didnt think it was haha... i'm not trying to be that writer anymore: i dont have time to do that well and do other music stuff. (plus all these different house & techno variants dont do it for me).
but i meant what i said, these moments are actually rare, seize them! when i first wanted to write I wanted to interview Detroit guys like UR but there was a long line in well established journos like Tom Magic Feet and Jonas Stone who actually knew Mad Mike. It was never going to happen.
but when a bunch of people decided to hang about in a room and play darker garage and everyone critically told me it was shit but i loved it, i saw it as an opportunity and you should do the same with jackin', this deep tech thing etc. take it, run with it, own it cos i know you want to take it there.
lol @ vaporwave, outsiderhouse
i saw phillip shelbourne on twitter slagging off amine edge and gangsta house, was coming from a very vindictive place imo but just goes to show how detached these writer lot are they dont have a clue for the most part. there is an amazing article on club culture and sexuality on ra by this guy luis something, for my money the best thing ever posted on there
guess how many other posts he has there
that andrew ryce can go to hell as well
/rant
i saw phillip shelbourne on twitter slagging off amine edge and gangsta house, was coming from a very vindictive place imo but just goes to show how detached these writer lot are they dont have a clue for the most part. there is an amazing article on club culture and sexuality on ra by this guy luis something, for my money the best thing ever posted on there
guess how many other posts he has there
that andrew ryce can go to hell as well
/rant
blazey
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I fucking love most of the 'deep tech' tunes/sets I have been recently hearing.
Last time I was this excited about music was about 7 years ago when me and Pinch started Subloaded
It's not just the actual sound of the music that appeals to me either, but the whole package (the hosts, the dancing, GIRLS enjoying it, kinda reminds me of when I was 20 frequenting La Cosa, Sidewinder, Sun City etc etc.
When the new venue for Bodynod is sorted, which will not be too long, we will do our damned hardest to represent the sound in Bristol - especially as we will most likely have ALOT of deep tech loving students arriving from LDN and Brum.
Last time I was this excited about music was about 7 years ago when me and Pinch started Subloaded
It's not just the actual sound of the music that appeals to me either, but the whole package (the hosts, the dancing, GIRLS enjoying it, kinda reminds me of when I was 20 frequenting La Cosa, Sidewinder, Sun City etc etc.
When the new venue for Bodynod is sorted, which will not be too long, we will do our damned hardest to represent the sound in Bristol - especially as we will most likely have ALOT of deep tech loving students arriving from LDN and Brum.
