New R&B

Benny Bunter

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Can't help you there I'm afraid. When you said fun and rnb and electro beats I instantly thought Miami/ATL bass, but you want more grubby techno it looks like.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
I was gonna say in reply to rich, why not garage? (I don't even know at an IBM beat sounds like. Really)

If you want something that can mix with electro and is also proper rnb (via Atlanta/Miami bass) and fun, why not have a go on something like this?

I feel bad I've taken over this thread... especially cos I can't even listen to things now. But when I get home I will, so thanks all.

But yeah, why not garage? With all music I like it tends to be an aesthetic not a style. There is that track Skank by Benga which is a real minimal skeletal loop and to me it has the feel I like so I play it.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Can't help you there I'm afraid. When you said fun and rnb and electro beats I instantly thought Miami/ATL bass, but you want more grubby techno it looks like.
Let's be honest here, the problem is I don't know what I want and you're all trying to find it for me.
 
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thirdform

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its better than actual house though. way better.

bruv, it's literally got that horrible organ in loads of 90s cheesy house music big up north. shut da fuck up. it's actual house, and the shittest end of it.

Show me love isn't all that either.

This is what you want.


 

thirdform

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cheesy organs are great in ardkore cos its maximal by nature, intensity. adds to the mania. In house though, they sound horrible and contrived.
 

thirdform

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this isn't even an anti-commercial bias. I can't stand that plonky organ sound it's so annoying. why would you always adorn top shelf productions with something which sounds cheap?

this kind of huge gospel piano vocal house is great for instance.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
fortunately theres no r&b that sounds like that Rich
Would it be another thing that is literally the worst music you've ever heard?
You should do a thread of Luka's top one hundred literally the worst songs ever. It would be a pretty interesting list although I understand it would be hard for you to cut it down to that many and there would be loads of stuff you had to leave out despite it being definitely the worst thing ever made and not even real music;
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
I'm honestly starting to feel guilty that more and more people seem to be trying to pin down a basic throwaway comment I made which really kinda belied my ignorance about r&b and meant very little beyond that.

But seeing as you are, the closest to the sound in my head is... this one


And, especially

the ciara stuff is all electroid

That one is by far the nearest. If it just somehow be sort of toughened up and sharpened it would be there.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
I was gonna say in reply to rich, why not garage? (I don't even know at an IBM beat sounds like. Really)

If you want something that can mix with electro and is also proper rnb (via Atlanta/Miami bass) and fun, why not have a go on something like this?

This is pretty much what I was describing although annoyingly I don't particularly like the tune. Does that make sense?
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Man I was born in Swindon.
As if I heard what was being played on London radio on Sunday mornings when I was growing up! I lived in a village with a population of about seven (maybe more, maybe fewer depending on which of them could technically be counted as people), and none of us had even heard OF either radio or London, never mind London radio. The very idea that we could simply push a button and be connected to civilisation just like that! We had to wait for the occasional wanderer to pass through on his journey between the mighty cities of Wantage and Faringdon to get news - one year this guy told us about music and we longed to know what it actually sounded like. When I finally did get to hear someone doing acoustic covers of Simon and Garfunkel it was a massive mindfucking sensory overload that changed the course of my life forever.
 

thirdform

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As if I heard what was being played on London radio on Sunday mornings when I was growing up! I lived in a village with a population of about seven (maybe more, maybe fewer depending on which of them could technically be counted as people), and none of us had even heard OF either radio or London, never mind London radio. The very idea that we could simply push a button and be connected to civilisation just like that! We had to wait for the occasional wanderer to pass through on his journey between the mighty cities of Wantage and Faringdon to get news - one year this guy told us about music and we longed to know what it actually sounded like. When I finally did get to hear someone doing acoustic covers of Simon and Garfunkel it was a massive mindfucking sensory overload that changed the course of my life forever.

it was a joke mate. I'm aware of your village life. was just trying to agg out lucius again, homo-socially, if you get what I mean.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
it was a joke mate. I'm aware of your village life. was just trying to agg out lucius again, homo-socially, if you get what I mean.
That was also a joke mate. I did really hear music before I moved to the big city. Admittedly it was often stetson wearing plumbers from Faringdump pretending to be cowboys at the local "yipyip" as they called the country and western night at the village hall.

But actually it's possibly a thing worth pursuing, how much your access to music due to location affects the development of your musical taste and knowledge and to what extent that has changed with the internet. Certainly for me when I read the NME or similar and saw all these gigs advertised in cities I was insanely jealous of how much was casually available to other people.

Also, I do feel musically quite rootless which means that - for example - my dj-ing is eclectic without any loyalty to a particular scene and there is definitely a case to be made for a lack of authenticity there. There is no alternative for me though (except simply not do it) as there is really nothing for me to be authentic to if that makes sense.

Edit - the part in bold is of course a worthwhile aim which I am happy to applaud
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
once a scene is codified its kind of only really for the initiates/specialists anyway.

So I don't see a problem with being rootless. I use genres/scenes as a structural tool.

Of course, the move most people do is to treat this as a pop type of approach, whereas I'm more about resurrecting paths not trodden.
 
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