luka

Well-known member
i guess the thing about twitter is it was sort of grown up. or at least it had it's grown up side
seriously ambitious careerists on the make, politicians speaking direct to the electorate,
Ian Dunt etc

all the new ones have been so explicitly kiddy that you'd feel a nonce just logging on
snapchat, tiktok etc so there's a gap in the market for a new adult one it feels like
 

Leo

Well-known member
i'd like one that didn't bombard me with adverts and 'suggestions'

used to be you could access IG on a computer and it didn't have any ads or suggestions in your feed. but that started to change a year or so ago and now you get as many ads/suggestions as on your phone, like every third or four post.
 

WashYourHands

Cat Malogen
its like facebook now, the timeline is pure carnage, all kinds of shit i don't want to see all over it that i can't seem to control. there's a sort of feeling with these platforms that they go to seed, they get overgrown, they become neglected, everyone stops putting the effort in and steps away. it's good in a way, to be able to mark the time with the rise and fall of different platforms, they're like genres, they're of the moment.

similar to how demonoid died
 

linebaugh

Well-known member
Twitter is only good for basketball and videos of people getting attacked by animals and that sort of thing. The rest of the site is arguing about trans people and DIY pornography.
 

mixed_biscuits

_________________________
Many of the people I know think that forums using the Dissensus format are obsolete and that people will never return to them, that this mode of human communication is no longer possible somehow.

There is a social aspect in some of the more popular bloggers' comments sections now e.g. Astral Codex Ten, with the advantage that the blogger sets the tone, the subject matter and polices extreme behaviour.
 

Clinamenic

Binary & Tweed
I think one of the big differences between a niche forum like Dissensus and those meta-forums like Reddit or Discord, is the differences in user influx to these platforms, in terms of market logic.

For discord, sure there are casual communities without any sort of productive or consumptive agenda, but I'd suspect that most of the more active Discord servers are driven by some kind of brand or product.

Seemingly less so for Reddit, in that the more active subreddits seem to be more based on topics than brands per se.

Re: twitter, I engage with that platform mostly with a networking and marketing mindset, albeit with the occasional shitpost.
 

sufi

lala
Many of the people I know think that forums using the Dissensus format are obsolete and that people will never return to them, that this mode of human communication is no longer possible somehow.

There is a social aspect in some of the more popular bloggers' comments sections now e.g. Astral Codex Ten, with the advantage that the blogger sets the tone, the subject matter and polices extreme behaviour.
some nice discussion of pros and cons here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36354540
 

wild greens

Well-known member
Re: twitter, I engage with that platform mostly with a networking and marketing mindset, albeit with the occasional shitpost.

Does the amount of snake oil salesmen trying to graft/advertise ai & crypto to idiots (though the crypto cons are dwindling) make your own marketing efforts difficult?

I am in a different industry but most specialist contractors i know will have repeat business due to proven track records, clear evidence of ability in difficult environment etc

Whereas with the blockchain stuff it feels like a lot of it is quite tarnished now, & seems from outside there are so many "12 ways AI can change your mindset" shitposts it must be difficult to differentiate genuine success stories on such a broken platform
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
Whereas with the blockchain stuff it feels like a lot of it is quite tarnished now, & seems from outside there are so many "12 ways AI can change your mindset" shitposts it must be difficult to differentiate genuine success stories on such a broken platform

Actual photo of @Clinamenic reading your post:

how-noise-affects-your-child.jpg
 

Leo

Well-known member
Its almost admirable just how quickly Musk has wrecked twitter. This rate limiting thing now as well, seems to me a conscious attempt to kill off the app in all honesty, active suppression

Twitter definitely sucks, not defending it, but Musk says the limiting is to discourage companies that do extreme levels of data scrapping. the limit is 10,000 posts per day for verified users, 1,000/day for unverified, and 800/day for new unverified. if that's the actual reason (which I assume it is but you never know with him), then that doesn't seem to be a problem for the average user, right?
 

Clinamenic

Binary & Tweed
Does the amount of snake oil salesmen trying to graft/advertise ai & crypto to idiots (though the crypto cons are dwindling) make your own marketing efforts difficult?

I am in a different industry but most specialist contractors i know will have repeat business due to proven track records, clear evidence of ability in difficult environment etc

Whereas with the blockchain stuff it feels like a lot of it is quite tarnished now, & seems from outside there are so many "12 ways AI can change your mindset" shitposts it must be difficult to differentiate genuine success stories on such a broken platform
Yeah I get that sense too, with a lot of the AI content, and I also try to be cognizant of how my content/copy appears in light of the wider context of fraud and bullshit.

Re: blockchain, my whole mindset has shifted a bit, and my motivations are much less speculative now. This last bull market was the first time I engaged in financial speculation, and it was a good occasion to learn firsthand about market psychology, price discovery, what sort of disclosure you want from teams offering securities-like assets, etc. It was really a lightning course, and now I remain in whats called the "public goods sector of web3," so essentially the nonprofit blockchain sector.

Obviously my consulting is for-profit, but I mean just the general milieu in which I operate. As for marketing, I put my content out there really just to build up a corpus/portfolio, to have some body of previous work which potential clients can inspect. As for actually securing clients, I expect it will mostly be networking efforts and referrals, or what I'm thinking of in terms of "backchannel marketing" - but perhaps there is already an established term for that.
 

Clinamenic

Binary & Tweed
Re: making bad things on purpose, I don't know how often others here have to see AI-generated thumbnails and article banners and whatnot, but its becoming quite common in my spheres.

I think the trick is in how one actually uses the material generated by text-to-image GANs, whereas a lot of people just go with the unedited AI image, and it often looks bad. Same with copy generated by LLMs.
 

sufi

lala
Twitter definitely sucks, not defending it, but Musk says the limiting is to discourage companies that do extreme levels of data scrapping. the limit is 10,000 posts per day for verified users, 1,000/day for unverified, and 800/day for new unverified. if that's the actual reason (which I assume it is but you never know with him), then that doesn't seem to be a problem for the average user, right?
I think he already sabotaged the API that would be the conventional method for access, e.g. for plugging a twitter feed into your website or mass analysis of tweets.
The main issue with the throttling is that, typically, they broke twitter when they switched it on, so people got 0 posts for a while. Twitter was always a bit technically kack-handed, but now they have an ambitious scheme to muskalise the whole platform so they are extra busy fucking everything up
 

wild greens

Well-known member
Twitter definitely sucks, not defending it, but Musk says the limiting is to discourage companies that do extreme levels of data scrapping. the limit is 10,000 posts per day for verified users, 1,000/day for unverified, and 800/day for new unverified. if that's the actual reason (which I assume it is but you never know with him), then that doesn't seem to be a problem for the average user, right?

It depends really. Some casual usage shouldn't really be problematic but on a day of high activity, i think it could easily be done. It was also a lot lower at first & i think is a very cynical short-sighted move by him to try and up subscriber rate to attempt to service this huge daft debt he's created to effectively buy a shitty little website anyway

A lot of the data-scraping also seems to be twitter DDOSing itself by constantly refreshing every twenty seconds as soon as a video plays

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I think the main problem with monetising these speculative free socials is that the eventual ad-driven endpoint creates an odd singularity wherein even though our core interests may divert massively we are all bombarded with these fuckwit AI/crypto lads as mentioned above, or endless drop-shippers etc, as they're the only non-corporations who are willing to spend enough money to project themselves into this shitty little ether. Even the corps are slowly giving up

I guess ultimately none of these things really work as profit-driven concepts really, which was the crux of the thread to begin with anyway wasn't it. Money and profiteering is fucking us all up
 

Leo

Well-known member
Twitter was always a bit technically kack-handed, but now they have an ambitious scheme to muskalise the whole platform so they are extra busy fucking everything up

doesn't help that musk fired 70% of the staff. even if they were overstaffed with slackers, I doubt that made up almost three-quarters of their employees.
 
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