The Universal Memory.

[sus]

Your a bit confused but it's okay because i understand this perfectly and will clear it up for you

 

[sus]

The important metaphor is the tower. It shows up in tarot but also pynchon and yes the wake

 

[sus]

The tower is a physical metaphor for structure

Structure is how we persist on the waves of natural change and chaos

It is equivalent to habitability

 

[sus]

But the tower is inevitably liquefied. All this is in the tarot card. Imo it's the best tarot card the most insightful and philosophical

 

[sus]

At what point do you cut your losses

At what point do you disassemble parts from the tower and build a new one with old stone

 

[luka]

The important metaphor is the tower. It shows up in tarot but also pynchon and yes the wake

well done captain obvious

 

[sus]

Structure is synonymous with system, and language is one of the most important systems, hence why Babel is tied up in this

 

[luka]

the wake folds all the falls into one: Lucifer, Adam and Even, Babel, Finnegan falling from the ladder, Humpty Dumpty

 

[sus]

Sure

 

[luka]

the fall of rome, the wall street crash (the fall of a once wallstrait parr)

 

[sus]

But I think they're meaningfully distinct. I think the dream of the garden is of a world that doesn't need structure, systems, tools, tech. Everything is provided. It exists as an inversion of reality. A utopia given life by reversing reality

 

[luka]

i have no idea what you're trying to get at Gus. what are you taking issue with here?

 

[sus]

I just think there are distinctinos that need to be made

 

[sus]

distinct like the dinos

 

[luka]

has Pynchon ever read the Wake? there's a reference to Thurn und taxis in it early on that perhaps he picked up on.

 

[sus]

A meteorite in the sky a ball of flame imprinted on the reptilian brain

 

[sus]

has Pynchon ever read the Wake? there's a reference to Thurn und taxis in it early on that perhaps he picked up on.

I think he must've it's hard to miss if you're paying attention and he was

 

[sus]

if you're aiming for the stars trying to build a systems novel that is about the failure and limits of systems, then the Wake is your one-stop shop. And that's IMO what he was trying to do.

 

[sus]

He also probably read Tristram Shandy which is a similar thing, a critique of systematicity, a comic novel that understood the tragic quality of all human attempts vanities constructions

 

[sus]

Error is everywhere in Tristram Shandy; it’s the most glitch-ridden book imaginable—it’s all glitch. Everything gets lost or misdirected; every action generates unwanted consequences. For the system-elaborating Walter, Tristram represents no more or less than the disaster zone in which all systems are undone; in the travails Sterne heaps with almost sadistic pleasure on the boy, Walter sees “my system turned topside-turvy,” the “fine network of the intellectual web” that he feels is man’s due get “rent and torn.” “Unhappy Tristram! child of wrath! child of decrepitude! interruption! mistake! and discontent!