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dHarry

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I felt each repetition slowly wearing my mind away

Rambler said:
The thing about Vexations is that it's only difficult because Satie asks for the music to be repeated 840 times: even Cage had a few other pianists to help when he first played it. (There's also the fact that before Cage, no one took the piece particularly seriously.) There's something mechanical/non-human about repeating the piece so many times though, and Satie was all for ironing out the emotional human-intervention side of things in his music.

It's also quite likely that the single direction, written on the manuscript, was typical of Satie's dry surreal prankster's wit:

"To play this motif 840 times in succession, it would be advisable to prepare oneself beforehand, in the deepest silence, by serious immobilities."

Note that he doesn't even stipulate that it should played 840 times, just a conditional if/then-type statement (implying that the number is random). The notation was also written out in unconventional style to make it more difficult to read, learn and repeat.

And so typical of Cage to take it seriously as a Zen Buddhist exercise and go to the bother of "fully" performing it with a relay team of pianists - the very randomness of the number 840 having become a structural necessity, and the otherwise unremarkable short piece music functioning like some kind of anti-music (in the traditional sense of bearer of the composer's and/or performer's emotion) machine.

This from here:

The first Australian performance, organised by David Ahern, took place in Watters Gallery, Darlinghurst, Sydney, on 21-2 February 1970. The performance lasted 22 hours; the pianist was Peter Evans, who attempted the performance solo. After 16 hours, having reached repetition 595, he stopped abruptly, and left the room. He wrote: "I would not play the piece again. I felt each repetition slowly wearing my mind away. I had to stop. ...People who play it do so at their own great peril."
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From the audience point of view, Dick Higgins observed, "the music first becomes so familiar that it seems extremely offensive and objectionable. But after that the mind slowly becomes incapable of taking further offence, and a very strange euphoric acceptance and enjoyment begin to set in...Is it boring? Only at first. After a while the euphoria...begins to intensify. By the time the piece is over, the silence is absolutely numbing, so much of an environment has the piece become."
 

zhao

there are no accidents
dHarry said:
"To play this motif 840 times in succession, it would be advisable to prepare oneself beforehand, in the deepest silence, by serious immobilities."


that is very very funny.
 

owen

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monsterbobby said:
a friend who visited Satie's house (now a museum) fairly recently told me there was a player piano there (perhaps it was a recent addition, but i got the impression that it was part of the original furnishings, perhaps it was just a 'toy', but it seems to fit into Satie's compositional obsessions, i think even if he never published any actual mechanical rolls its presence islikely to have had some influence on his work).
:p
i'm not sure if it was his or not actually- it was playing a kind of satie greatest hits, gymnopedies, sarabandes etc etc but it is a very satie instrument. it's rather theme-park esque, satie's house...
http://www.ville-honfleur.fr/Culture/Musees/maisonsSatie.html
 

hamarplazt

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Rambler said:
Are you thinking of Conlon Nancarrow? I'd bet Aphex knows some of his music. Super-complex rhythms that had to be punched onto piano rolls because you couldn't write them down or get any one to play them otherwise. Bit like the sort of manipulations you can do digitally now.
Player pianos and automatic organs etc, was simply the worlds first sequencers. It's strange nobody used them to make "impossible" stuff before Nancarow.
 
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