press release for new aphex twin album 'chosen lords'

tate

Brown Sugar
Slothrop said:
The mutual benefit of a crossover would come from the fact that when two different cultures meet, there's a good chance that they'll each be able to nick interesting ideas from the other (and much as I love them, imho both genres could benefit from a few more interesting ideas at the moment), not just that the drum and bass idiots will be glad to have crumbs of wisdom passed down to them.

Have you heard Graphic's remix of Ezekiel Honig's track "Love Session"? Graphic's remix received a lot of love from forward-thinking drum and bass folks this year and appeared in a number of mixes. Some have said that the rmx reminds them of microhouse, but I immediately thought of it as drum and bass meets Chiastic Slide-era autechre.

The original is excellent too, btw
 
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Constance Labounty

Down since 1999
Tate said:
Have you heard Graphic's remix of Ezekiel Honig's track "Love Sessions"? Graphic's remix received a lot of love from forward-thinking drum and bass folks this year and appeared in a number of mixes. Some have said that the rmx reminds them of microhouse, but I immediately thought of it as drum and bass meets Chiastic Slide-era autechre.
WOAH. I have to check this out. Thanx for the tip. Reminds me of that new autechreish grime track "WD25".
 

tate

Brown Sugar
Constance Labounty said:
WOAH. I have to check this out. Thanx for the tip. Reminds me of that new autechreish grime track "WD25".

Constance, you can hear an audio clip of the tracks, both Ezekiel's original "Love Session," as well as the Graphic rmx (the one I mentioned above), at Breakbeat Science here. It's on Offshore Recordings.

It's also worth checking, at the same link, Ezekiel's rmx of Graphic's dnb tune, "1000." Ezekiel, who is nominally an nyc-based (micro)house and electronica producer, used to work at Breakbeat Science with Brett Cleaver (=DJ Clever, btw), owner of Offshore Recordings, so the 12" is a Graphic remixes Honig/Honig remixes Graphic kind of thing. Apparently the original Graphic "1000" didn't appear on the plate because it had already been released by Offshore earlier, so you got another Honig tune instead ("Daily Human Emotions"), which is always nice to have. :)

Offshore Recordings recently started working with Bleep.com but I don't see that "Love Session" is available for purchase yet. Still, it's worth checking the Offshore releases that are available.
 
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Constance Labounty

Down since 1999
hamarplazt said:
But the thing is, a lot of the best jungle had the exact same sense of simultaniously falling apart and bulidning up, and because the groove was so much more physical, it actually feels much more complex than drill'n'bass.
Well, its not exactly the same. Calling it "falling apart and building up" was just my cliched attempt at explaining it. The complexity of jungle doesn't sound like the complexity of autechre at all, to my knowledge. (autechre are not drill n bass but they best embody the complexity vibe incorporated in all idm) You feeling the complexity of jungle more because of its physicality is a personal preference that is not universal. Drill n bass is more complex and some people can feel this to its full extent without need for a direct traditional groove.

Could you give an example of a well known jungle track that you think feels more complex than the best drill n bass?
 

Constance Labounty

Down since 1999
Back to the original thread topic, who's excited about the Analord CD! I like Aphex but not enough to buy 11 big plastic discs. But where's Pissed Up in SE1? Does he think all these tracks are better than that one? Or, more "cohesive", whatever thats worth...
 

hamarplazt

100% No Soul Guaranteed
Constance Labounty said:
Thats just cuz they weren't ravers so didn't know where to get it! Or maybe cuz you're the most ravey looking person at autechre concerts but don't stand out at raves.
I'd say they actually looked much more ravey than me. Probably it was because I was dancing so hard that they thought that I had to be on something.

Constance Labounty said:
Could you give an example of a well known jungle track that you think feels more complex than the best drill n bass?
Well, first of all, I take this to mean that the best drill'n'bass isn't necessarily the most complex; I'm sure there's some drill'n'bass out there outcomplexin' pretty much everything else around, but I doubt it's the best. I certainly feel tracks like Remarcs "Thunderclap", Danny Breaks "Droppin Science 1" or DJ Hypes "Rrrroll the Beats" as much more complex than any drill'n'bass I've ever heard. That's not to say that it is more complex, but the information density of far too much drill'n'bass is so thick that the overall sound become very undynamic. Constant, labyrinthine variation stand out much more clear and strong when balanced with some empty spaces. Without that, constant change become predictable in itself.

If you play two drill'n'bass tracks simultaniously, isn't the result automatically more complex than each of the tracks in itself? Yet, I'm sure the result wouldn't sound more complex. Rather, it would probably sound like mush. Maybe we should try and find a more precise definition of complexity.
 

bassnation

the abyss
hamarplazt said:
Well, first of all, I take this to mean that the best drill'n'bass isn't necessarily the most complex; I'm sure there's some drill'n'bass out there outcomplexin' pretty much everything else around, but I doubt it's the best. I certainly feel tracks like Remarcs "Thunderclap", Danny Breaks "Droppin Science 1" or DJ Hypes "Rrrroll the Beats" as much more complex than any drill'n'bass I've ever heard. That's not to say that it is more complex, but the information density of far too much drill'n'bass is so thick that the overall sound become very undynamic. Constant, labyrinthine variation stand out much more clear and strong when balanced with some empty spaces. Without that, constant change become predictable in itself.

exactly. find me some drill n bass that has the space, complexity, groove AND vibe of the best jungle and i'll publicly repudiate all my earlier comments about it.
 
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droid

Guest
bassnation said:
exactly. find me some drill n bass that has the space, complexity, groove AND vibe of the best jungle and i'll publicly repudiate all my earlier comments about it.

Thats an impossibly tall order - but:

Jega - DMC
Squarepusher - Big Loada/Vic Acid/Venus No.17
The Plug LP (the 12's are a little wishy-washy)
Kushti - Stromboli
Mu-ziq - Urmer Bile Tracks 1+2

Probably a few more as well - loads if you conflate Drill and Bass with breakcore...
 

bassnation

the abyss
droid said:
Thats an impossibly tall order - but:

Jega - DMC
Squarepusher - Big Loada/Vic Acid/Venus No.17
The Plug LP (the 12's are a little wishy-washy)
Kushti - Stromboli
Mu-ziq - Urmer Bile Tracks 1+2

Probably a few more as well - loads if you conflate Drill and Bass with breakcore...

lol, nice one - will check those out. i like the squarepusher tunes but the rest i haven't heard.

this is what i love about dissensus - the sheer amount of unheard music i get to know about every day!
 

dHarry

Well-known member
Constance Labounty said:
Back to the original thread topic, who's excited about the Analord CD! I like Aphex but not enough to buy 11 big plastic discs. But where's Pissed Up in SE1? Does he think all these tracks are better than that one? Or, more "cohesive", whatever thats worth...

there's always this mixtape comp including the charmingly-titled Pissed Up in SE1 ;)
 

bassnation

the abyss
dHarry said:
there's always this mixtape comp including the charmingly-titled Pissed Up in SE1 ;)

aphex lives in south london now doesn't he? i saw him a few weeks back walking down the street in elephant - did a double take as you do, with someone famous. i reckon that video of his head superimposed on womens bodies has burned his face into my memory forever.
 
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droid

Guest
bassnation said:
aphex lives in south london now doesn't he? i saw him a few weeks back walking down the street in elephant - did a double take as you do, with someone famous. i reckon that video of his head superimposed on womens bodies has burned his face into my memory forever.

Ya shoulda stopped for a chat. Hes actually realtively approachable, as long as you dont adopt the 'sweaty fanboy lurch' as you walk up to him. Ditto for AE - lovely blokes.

Squarepushers a right cunt though! :D
 

Cerebus

New member
Ya know, I just went through all the effort to register and verify my account (ok, admitedly, not much effort) to point out that you guys have complemented pretty much every single RDJ release in this thread. lol. Rich is brilliant, not always, but a MAJORITY of the time. Even Drukqs when whittled down to the meat of it is some of the best programming ever. More importantly, he's an originator - but an originator that stays within himself. Autechre went all silly with it for a minute. Do I want to listen to the sound of music decaying? Well, no, after listening to Confield, I found that I don't. But everything Rich does still has that "vibe". The Twin "feeling" that so much electronic music lacks - from all eras. When all is said and done, people will look back on Rich's catalogue of work and marvel. To lead for as long as he has is damn near impossible in the music industry. And mark my words, there will be a boatload of Analord imatators over the next couple years (it's already started). Funny thing is, Rich has probably already moved on to something else - it's what he's done consistently his entire career. "Oh, you like this? Then I'm going release this." Let us also not forget Rephlex and the fact that his early sales helped build Warp. The man deserves loads more credit that he gets (and yes, I realize he gets a lot already). Oh, and I like ELM, electronic listening music, if it must be labeled. IDM alwasys seemed silly to me too.
 

michael

Bring out the vacuum
Hey, re: IDM, that Hyperreal mailing list was started in 1992, so the term has been around a long while. I first signed up in 95 and I remember there were quotes from Mixmaster Morris re: "intelligent dance music" being the opposite of "stupid hardcore". Others cited the Artificial Intelligence series from Warp, as MMS mentioned.

A lot of the regular contributors seemed to agree that it was a completely pretentious name, but there was definitely discussion of a wide range of music, including artists like Orbital and so forth, who were definitely dance acts, but fairly noodly. Plenty of talk about the more mellow end of Detroit etc. too.

As time went by the concept of what "IDM" meant certainly became really codified, and the number of people bitching about shit like Funkstörung, Arovane, the M3RCK label, etc. being completely derivative seemed to drop away...

I remember the guy who now does that blog Cocaine Blunts & Hip-hop Tapes used to do little updates on hip-hop things he was into and yadda yadda, but then completely lost it after daring to praise D'Angelo's 'Voodoo'.

As with dissensus, I found out about a whollllle lot of music I still love from that list, but the signal to noise ratio got worse and worse over time...
 

mms

sometimes
michael said:
I remember the guy who now does that blog Cocaine Blunts & Hip-hop Tapes used to do little updates on hip-hop things he was into and yadda yadda, but then completely lost it after daring to praise D'Angelo's 'Voodoo'.

bbuttt that's a great album in places - too much totally narcissistic 'like my love pump baby' stuff but a good one!
 

michael

Bring out the vacuum
Gah, totally cocked up that story. It was supposed to be an example of just how snobby the IDM list became... The guy ("multsanta"?) said how much he loved 'Voodoo', which kicked off a massive "bullshit pop music shouldn't get talked about on here" flame war. Lots of "what's next? Christina Aguilera?" scoffing. It ended in him leaving the list in disgust at people's snobbery. "Lost it" as in "spat the dummy", not "lost the plot".

FWIW, I like 'Voodoo' too.
 

luka

Well-known member
LOL

The reason it is considered his best (or at least as good as SAW 1) is because it was the first to dabble in drill n bass, thus resulting in the most complex (in rhythm and timbre) groove oriented music ever made. And thus it excelled in all three aspects of music- being pleasing to the mind (complexity), the body (groove), and the soul (emotion)- to an extent never before seen.* Other music excels in various areas but never all three (classical music has complexity and emotion but no groove, traditional electronic dance music has groove and emotion but little complexity).

The best track examples are Girl/Boy song and Yellow Calx. Can you think of anything else with that much complexity, groove, AND emotion? If so, I'd love to hear it! Other such tracks are: 4, cornish acid, peek 824, corn mouth, to cure a weakling child.

(It should be noted that there are two eras of IDM- the ambient era heralded by the artificial intelligence releases on Warp and the drill n bass era. The first period uses intelligent to mean sophisticated while the latter uses it to mean, more appropriately, complex.)

*Granted, that this is a good thing is somewhat subjective. Some people couldn't care less about particular aspects. People into classical music couldn't care less about funky grooves. And it takes a certain dorkiness ("abstractness of character") to fully appreciate the complex rhythms of idm.

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