-Soul Music-

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gumdrops

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yeah, its generally entirely vacuous, superficial and often puts state of the art production over everything else (much like modern hip hop in fact) but it still has its moments. you just have to make sure youre not listening to it through 70s-soul reared ears.
 
luka

luka

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it makes me smile. one of my favourite songs is that one that goes,i wonder if i take you home
would you still be in love baybe, becasue i need you tonight, uh oh oh
lisa lisa and cult jam. that song is amazing. i also really love love don't live here any more but i think thats '79.
 
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dominic

Beast of Burden
luka said:
i also really love love don't live here any more but i think thats '79.
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unless i'm confused, that's the basement boys -- their first big hit -- and it's called house music
 
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Tactics

BBP!
gumdrops said:
lol
yes that's it. i only like emotionally neutered music where the artists sound like they hate everything, care about nothing, despise humanity and feel nothing.
grime is great, yknow.
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he isn't jokin' btw....
 
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michael

Bring out the vacuum
Yeah, soul is up there with indie rock. Just directly communicates feelings about life - no pandering to commercialism, no self-conscious conceptual nonsense and no wanky ambitions of progression.

As with indie, soul music is created by these savant-like geniuses who just have a great gift for connecting with other people.

Right?
 
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michael

Bring out the vacuum
dominic said:
errrrr, i just did a bit of research . . . .

the original is by rose royce -- who also did "car wash"
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Yeah, cf the nu pop thread - one of those interchangeable vehicles for a producer, in this case Norman Whitfield. The version I remember as a kid (well, teen) was by some outfit called Double Trouble, who I have associated in my head with Soul II Soul and Bomb The Bass (doing Bacharach - Say A Little Prayer? Walk On By? can't remember).

I've heard a take of Madonna doing it too, maybe one of the old Jellybean-produced recordings?
 
luka

luka

Well-known member
yeah,the rose royce version, one of the best songs youll ever hear. ('buh buh buh bu buh buh bu')
 
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mms

sometimes
michael said:
Yeah, cf the nu pop thread - one of those interchangeable vehicles for a producer, in this case Norman Whitfield. The version I remember as a kid (well, teen) was by some outfit called Double Trouble, who I have associated in my head with Soul II Soul and Bomb The Bass (doing Bacharach - Say A Little Prayer? Walk On By? can't remember).

I've heard a take of Madonna doing it too, maybe one of the old Jellybean-produced recordings?
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yeah madonna did it on like a virgin i think
double trouble were rebel mcs producers..
there was also 'wishing on a star' by fresh 4 from bristol - that's another rose royce track ..
jimmy nail also covered 'love don't live here...' :confused:
 
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juliand

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luka said:
this is a companion thread to 'western movies' because obscure things are all too often obscure for good reason. sometimes obvious things are the best things. i was listening to one of dave godin's compilations over breakfast this morning and it reminded me,nothing beats soul music, nothing. when i was a young boy i used to swoon to sam cooke and aretha franklin, even as a tiny child i knew this music was magical, it reached a level nothing else could, something direct and real, when i was an adolescent nothing reached my troubled heart like soul music and now as a burnt out, spiritually bankrupt, bored with life 20something, it still is the only music to really do it for me. no other music is so emotionally articulate. the heart is simple. the human animal is a simple animal. at the deepest level, the heart simply longs, and soul is the sound of that longing. thats why its the best music ever made. it strips back the layers. the protective layers. the armoured heart. it exposes the naked, wormlike heart. and dsiplays it, holds it up, says look, the worm, the heartworm, the level at which we're all the same, our common humanity, the heartworm. thats real music that commnicates what it is to be human, doesn't describe, presents, here it is, this is what its like. to be a plaything of the fates, desire's helpless puppet, suffering love and loss, hope and despair, overwhelmed by forces the mind has no control over, things deeper, older and stronger than the concsious mind, frightening forces, like the sea is frightening, the dark, turbulent sea, so deep and strong and unknowable, sam cooke, jackie wilson, bobby bland, solomon burke, irma thomas, artha franklin, the temptations, smokey robinson, otis reading, al green, clarence carter, arthur conley, the sound of the sublime. you can keep your bleepy electro wank and your european avant garde composers and free improv noise, your japanese out rock and all the rest of it, gimmie 3 minutes of the sublime, with horns!
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My fandom is commensurate, but I think the description is...wrong. These were singers negotiating live performance and the presence of electronic duplication, the technology of the microphone, in exact and knowing ways. The people on Fahey's American Primitive barely know what they're doing, and that shit is direct, raw, and to my mind, not quite music as we know it; Sam Cooke's "soul" was elaborately constructed, his intimacy an effect, and no less powerful for it--that's what makes him amazing, affecting--that he was able to think about how one might put "soul" and "spontenaity" to tape

Hal Foster, long ago, called it "The Expressive Fallacy"

That's what distinguishes the modern to me, actually---and soul is nothing if not modernist
 
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juliand

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I find my "soul" in funny places though--I think those early Mr Fingers sides are the most soulful things ever recorded--they literally bring tears to my eyes. But it's all synth and drum machines.

This effect happened recently, during Dave Chappelle's Block Party, actually--I teared up during "Jesus Walks," a song I don't even particularly like--and again during Lauryn Hill, ditto

I don't for a minute think Kanye or Lauryn are unmediated though, direct from them to me...it's part of their performance
 
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robin

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henry s said:
and Isaac Hayes' Hot Buttered Soul...(his cover of "By The Time I Get To Phoenix" is unsettlingly good)..
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it really is incredible isnt it?
i have hot buttered soul but the cd is scratched,ive started downloading this song again cause im dying to hear it again...but its the only version of the song i know!
what other versions should i look for?
 
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baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
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grizzleb

grizzleb

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Every music should hit that spot. Whether it does for you or not...but sometimes techno does that for me. Or ambient shit especially. The point being that all music is intended to 'bridge the gap' so to speak.
 
pattycakes_

pattycakes_

Can turn naughty
like dig, man

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Katie

Katie

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Soul Music

Great singer with a voice that touches me
to the bone. She speaks of more issues than you can shake a stick at, but makes for some great soul music to groove to.

If youre into R&B and real soul music, give her a listen. If youre having a hard time, give her a listen. If not -go screw yourselves.
 
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bassbeyondreason

Chtonic Fatigue Syndrome
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Sometimes buying records based on cover art really pays off..
 
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baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
I saw the film "Am I Black Enough For You?" at the weekend, hence the selection. Pretty brilliant - I didn't know much about Billy Paul, but interviews with the man himself, Kenny Gamble, Schoolly D and ?uestlove (who is an absolute dude - never seen him interviewed before, much as I like the Roots) filled in the gaps in my knowledge. Some of the music, esp this track, was incredible.
 
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