Cam'Ron and Ghostface new albums

[stelfox]

well, hip-hop has cahnged and i'd say liking certain aspects of the way it was before to a greater or lesser degree will influence how much you like it now. i have many of the same problems, but juts don't feel them as hard. also, mike jones is *spectacularly* lazy rapper, who i also like (but maily because he sounds genuinely retarded and i like to see hip-hop doing a bit for the disadvantaged), so jeezy is pretty easy to listen to by comparison.

 

[petergunn]

That means he prefers working with people he doesn't have to actually pay for beats.

still, it works for him... on most dipset projects the hottest (and most unique sounding) beats on there are the ones from people you've never heard of... i'd rather have that than the same tired beats everyone else is using...

 

[DavidD]

whoa@people still discussing these dudes.
Pgunn - the party in bushwick - we talked for a bit, nice set.

Lets talk about something new, like Jermaine Dupri raping the 80s

 

[viktorvaughn]

well, adolescent as it might sound, yeah, i do feel somewhat let down by hip hop. not everything 'back in the days' was brilliant of course, and it did have its own problems, but i do feel like hip hop has kinda dropped the ball. maybe its just something that comes from listening to something so much, that after a while, it all seems samey and you get jaded, but hip hop just seems so complacent, so willing to reinforce the status quo/toe the corporate line in so many ways, its like people arent even 'trying' to up the stakes anymore. or at least, because its pop music now, hardly anyone is unwilling to venture too far outside its one dimensional comfort zone in case it ruins their chance to get paid like 50 (i mean, half the new rappers out proudly say they dont CARE about the music, theyre only in it to make money and i cant help thinking that in spite of this being an extension of the usual rap bravado where youre too cool to give a shit about anything, the attitude has had a large trickle down effect onto scores of other MCs who think that actually, no, you DONT have to care about rapping and you can still make it). im not one of these 'golden age' fetishists that only likes hip hop when it subscribes to soul/funk samples and knackered breakbeats or whatever, i love a lot of the new production (even though much of it is devoid of hardness), i like the fact hip hop hasnt (sonically at least) stopped changing, but there hasnt been any great new rappers to come from the genre in quite a while. no one is really saying anything of note, or saying something vacuous/something thats already been said in any fresh, vital new way. jeezy can barely rap to my ears but hes one of the biggest names in the US, which is bizarre to me. the low expectations and standards for hip hop are dismal IMHO. maybe this all sounds bitter and jaded and while i still enjoy things from mike jones (strangely i especially love it when he repeats the same old lines over and over like hes unaware hes ever said them before), slim thug (diamonds was brilliant), lil jon, ying yang twins, even D4L and dem franchise boyz or whoever, maybe modern hip hop as a whole just isnt for me. but people who say stuff like 'hip hop hasnt changed' or 'if you dont like it now, you probably never did' are talking shit.

Mate i was soooooooo into hiphop for six years, really hammered it, but now grime/dubstep and more electronic stuff are doing it so much more for me, i think i simply got a bit bored. Though today i put on Operations Doomsday to go to Tesco and i was bobbing my head up every aisle, what a genius lp!!

 

[luka]

i can relate to gumdrops here. i started listening to a lot of hiphop in late 93. i like a lot of the music coming out now but i do sometimes stop to think, yeh but this mc is terrible. the standard of mcing has gone out the window, its not even a consideration anymore, being good at mcing is not considered something to aspire to or something. things have gone well stale in that area. and thats what i used to listen for mainly anyway so thingy innit.

 

[gumdrops]

well, hip-hop has cahnged and i'd say liking certain aspects of the way it was before to a greater or lesser degree will influence how much you like it now.QUOTE]

well yeah, it seems that if you got into it around the mid-late 90s, youre *probably* less likely to be bothered by the things im talking about.