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gabriel said:
They won!
They also did a kind of pantomime stage verison of 'hard to be a pimp', complete with dancing hos and crack addicts...
ursula rucker on the 'ho-erisation' of hip-hop
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They won!
They also did a kind of pantomime stage verison of 'hard to be a pimp', complete with dancing hos and crack addicts...
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gabriel said:they won an oscar? crazy. stage show sounds a bit offkey
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gabriel said:
What a great idea! An x rated hip hop stage musical all about hos, pimps and ghetto life: 'Wess-side story' you could call it! It could be 'Grease' for the noughties!How long before someone makes it? (though someone probably already has...
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I really like this website but i hate the way you talk about hiphop. 3-6 Maffia won a fucking oscar, for god's sake. it's hardly underground news.
Ursula Rucker's quite a good poet/thang as far as it goes, and, sorry, but Ludacris isn't even close to being one of the best lyricists out there, I like the fact that someone tried to get a hiphop thread going so that all of your crap could be confined.
Apologies for upsetting anyone. Rucker's not wrong, admit it and move on, just cos Trina has made ( er, two ) wicked tracks doesn't mean that Rucker's not absolutely right in what she's saying, and that hiphop has been petrified in this argument since Roxanne fucking Roxanne.
Ursula Rucker's quite a good poet/thang as far as it goes, and, sorry, but Ludacris isn't even close to being one of the best lyricists out there, I like the fact that someone tried to get a hiphop thread going so that all of your crap could be confined.
Apologies for upsetting anyone. Rucker's not wrong, admit it and move on, just cos Trina has made ( er, two ) wicked tracks doesn't mean that Rucker's not absolutely right in what she's saying, and that hiphop has been petrified in this argument since Roxanne fucking Roxanne.
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she should write a song about it then...
...but she'd be hard pressed to top Sarah Jones - "your revolution will not happen between these thighs"
...but she'd be hard pressed to top Sarah Jones - "your revolution will not happen between these thighs"
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i think ad hominem abusive comments made with humour are a good tonic against these depressive, insufferably bland truths!
nuance and humour are as much a part of the truth as facts, and in rucker's case there is zero of the first two. so what should be true seems bland and ultimately a bit fake. a big disservice to her cause if you ask me.
nuance and humour are as much a part of the truth as facts, and in rucker's case there is zero of the first two. so what should be true seems bland and ultimately a bit fake. a big disservice to her cause if you ask me.
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don't really have much to add, I think y'all have covered most of it..
but is it because she's talking about music that she is associated with that somehow her own art is supposed to cure the problem? Her art doesn't add to the problem she's addressing, even if it doesn't make the sexist crap go away. I mean yeah it's a pity her music/spoken does nothing for me. Has nothing to do with whether she's right.
Picasso was an evil sexist megalomaniacal asshole, but it doesn't invalidate his art.
I do think it sounds here like the problem is she is not framed as a music journalist, so her art is somehow relevant to the criticism she's making. Bu if she was a music journalist probably many people would say she was too removed/elitist and her criticism just fits into elite fluttering over scary hiphop. A bit of a catch-22, innit?
And women are stuck in it anyway - because women are already at one remove from "authentic" hiphop, because hiphop is basically coded as masculine (or for men) (and of course it's not just hiphop it's the society most of us live in).. reminds me of the discussion of women being authentic in grime. So any woman criticizing the gender issues in hiphop is highlighting her own separation, and setting herself outside the "authentic" way of being hiphop.
but basically, yeah, old news. true news.
still looking for artists who can change it (but the decks are stacked in favor of the stacked, if you get me)
but is it because she's talking about music that she is associated with that somehow her own art is supposed to cure the problem? Her art doesn't add to the problem she's addressing, even if it doesn't make the sexist crap go away. I mean yeah it's a pity her music/spoken does nothing for me. Has nothing to do with whether she's right.
Picasso was an evil sexist megalomaniacal asshole, but it doesn't invalidate his art.
I do think it sounds here like the problem is she is not framed as a music journalist, so her art is somehow relevant to the criticism she's making. Bu if she was a music journalist probably many people would say she was too removed/elitist and her criticism just fits into elite fluttering over scary hiphop. A bit of a catch-22, innit?
And women are stuck in it anyway - because women are already at one remove from "authentic" hiphop, because hiphop is basically coded as masculine (or for men) (and of course it's not just hiphop it's the society most of us live in).. reminds me of the discussion of women being authentic in grime. So any woman criticizing the gender issues in hiphop is highlighting her own separation, and setting herself outside the "authentic" way of being hiphop.
but basically, yeah, old news. true news.
still looking for artists who can change it (but the decks are stacked in favor of the stacked, if you get me)
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can't really see that happening while the paedophilic powers that be endorse soft kiddie porn and bubblegum pop to the masses via mainstream media...
...remember the furore over Sarah Jones song getting banned ???
what a joke !!!
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I have a four year old neice and I'm not even comfortable have her watch videos on "safe" video stations or even listening to the radio for that manner...women can look AMAZING in clothes as well! This is why Jean Grae, Tiye Phoenix, Eternia, Byata, Madusa, etc. will never get commercial push...they refuse to get half naked and water down their material. Ursula Rucker isn't saying anything that me or my friends (male and female alike) haven't said DAILY since 1998!
P.S. Trina is HOT GARBAGE talentwise, lyrically, aesthetically and content wise. One.
I have a four year old neice and I'm not even comfortable have her watch videos on "safe" video stations or even listening to the radio for that manner...women can look AMAZING in clothes as well! This is why Jean Grae, Tiye Phoenix, Eternia, Byata, Madusa, etc. will never get commercial push...they refuse to get half naked and water down their material. Ursula Rucker isn't saying anything that me or my friends (male and female alike) haven't said DAILY since 1998!
P.S. Trina is HOT GARBAGE talentwise, lyrically, aesthetically and content wise. One.
Bruno, I may have misinterpreted you, but I did ask it as a question, with my conclusion based on conditional "if/then" logic, based on your words:bruno said:
which seemed to mean that her lack of nuance and humour render her basic points "bland" and "fake", and you haven't bothered to explain it better - am I missing something here?
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dharry, ms rucker finds it wrong to see women on all fours in g strings having their asses slapped. this is like saying poverty is bad, the sun is hot, etc. it's banal. but these women on all fours surround ludacris, someone even the casual observer knows is a comedian. it's satire (not very subtle, but it is). ms rucker fails to see this dimension, concluding that little girls are growing up thinking it's an achievement to be a video ho or a stripper! come on, little girs are smarter than that.
the whole "moral decline of hip hop" is such bullshit. I feel like people who say that have never listened to hip hop from the eighties (*cough* 2 live crew *cough*). really there was conscious hip hop then and now and there were pimp anthems then and now
politically I obviously agree more with the average conscious rapper, but aesetically (including women in thongs, I mean I'm sexually atratcted to taht) booty beats are more (not as a rule, but overall) fun to listen to. it's like mos def's song beef is okay and kind of thought provoking but no where near as awesome as jay-z ripping on nas on the bluprint.
politically I obviously agree more with the average conscious rapper, but aesetically (including women in thongs, I mean I'm sexually atratcted to taht) booty beats are more (not as a rule, but overall) fun to listen to. it's like mos def's song beef is okay and kind of thought provoking but no where near as awesome as jay-z ripping on nas on the bluprint.
I dragged this quote out earlier in another thread but here it is again.
"The best criticism of a bad film is another film" - Jean Luc Godard
From the mouth of a film critic turned film maker. I agree with Rucker politically, it is a fucked up scene but what Luda and them do is sexy party music. Until someone can figure out how to do that AND be conscious I think we're stuck with it.
"The best criticism of a bad film is another film" - Jean Luc Godard
From the mouth of a film critic turned film maker. I agree with Rucker politically, it is a fucked up scene but what Luda and them do is sexy party music. Until someone can figure out how to do that AND be conscious I think we're stuck with it.