Well, they didn't even put Antony on the cover and Conor even justified it with that half-arsed claim, if you remember.swears said:I don't really think they even care about that sort of thing anymore. It's just a production line of very, very trad bands now, the fact they didn't put Dizzee Rascal on their cover after he'd won the Mercury music prize with a pretty accessible album shows how conservative they are. Anyway, the whole "grindie" thing is just a cheesy news story.
To be honest, I blame the bands. A bunch of monkeys in their suit jackets and jeans, never letting go of their sacred giutars, unable to imagine even a musical alternative to what they're doing now.
gek-opel said:Indie kids frightened of Gays and Black People...
Yeah definitely - there is a massive tradition of sexually ambiguous indie boys going back to The Smiths who are the indiest band there is. There may be other trends in indie typified by Oasis or whatever but it's plain wrong to say that "Indie kids are frightened of gays"."Hmmmm...it's not necessarily that"
gek-opel said:....the late 90s/early 00s NME, (which was OK actually) where they put Destiny's child on the cover one week, then Godspeed You Black Emperor!, then the Beta Band... and their sales figures collapsed.
On the other hand, the pre-we-still-love-Britpop MM is still around.gek-opel said:MM destroyed itself in its last few years by taking a "we still love brit-pop" hardline. If only they had waited it out till about 2004 or so and they would have been loving it....
swears said:I think the key is just to ditch the guitars, let them go. They had their moment and it was fun, but it's just a cliche of a cliche now, and it's time to move on.
hint said:This is interesting to me...
Is this the most important thing to you when listening to music? The "sounds"?
Well, let's not lose perspective here. In 1976, I'm pretty sure punk - as music per se - was revolutionary by mainstream standards. After all, what did hit the charts before the Sex Pistols? ABBA? Brotherhood Of Man? The Carpenters? Eric Clapton? Barclay James Harvest? Bay City Rollers? Tony Christie (oh well, this one's still there, as we're talking)? And did hit the charts by 1999? Catatonia? Boyzone? Blur? Another Level? Andrea Bocelli? Britney Spears? I'm pretty sure you get my point.swears said:I genuinely believe in the whole idea of radical form/radical content.
I think even if an musician doesn't have anything explicitly political to say, that longing for innovation or something different to the mainstream is where the real "soul" (for want of a far better word) of music comes into play. When I first heard "Windowlicker" it sounded far more revolutionary to me, personally than any punk band.
jaxxalude said:Well, let's not lose perspective here. In 1976, I'm pretty sure punk - as music per se - was revolutionary by mainstream standards. After all, what did hit the charts before the Sex Pistols? ABBA? Brotherhood Of Man? The Carpenters? Eric Clapton? Barclay James Harvest? Bay City Rollers? Tony Christie (oh well, this one's still there, as we're talking)? And did hit the charts by 1999? Catatonia? Boyzone? Blur? Another Level? Andrea Bocelli? Britney Spears? I'm pretty sure you get my point.