Cotti - Sensi Dub.... oh dear...

gek-opel

entered apprentice
I think all the good artists and directions you have mentioned have been heard by the majority on this board, and justly celebrated... but that doesn't mean you CAN'T equally call out the dreck as dreck. Constant affirmation of how great everything is does no-one any good (but as you say constant "moaning" doesn't either, of course... altho at least dissatisfaction breeds change...)

The key thing is: what does the next generation sound like? What gets played out? Does the sound remain fixed in position, with interesting stuff happening on the periphery, or does the mainstream sound alter and shift over time? Does the next generation cement the pre-existing sound, or challenge it?
 

UFO over easy

online mahjong
I think all the good artists and directions you have mentioned have been heard by the majority on this board, and justly celebrated...

If that was true, you wouldn't be saying this -

gek opal said:
The key thing is: what does the next generation sound like? What gets played out? Does the next generation cement the pre-existing sound, or challenge it?

Listen yourself if you're curious.

If you want to hear what the new generation of producers are doing, don't just look at what's coming out. Don't look at FWD>> or DMZ either, and don't listen to rinse. Dig deeper! Look at new labels, new producers, different radio stations (www.subfm.com www.myspace.com/reactfm), new nights (Dub Pressure, Platform 1), new places, new directions. Post about it on Dissensus, tell your friends about what you find.

Listen to our SubFm show if you're interested in the deeper, techno inspired, rhythmically varied side of things - added to that, what we're trying to do with Hessle Audio is a response not only to the influx of music we're not particularly enjoying, but also to people constantly moaning and not actually doing anything productive to change what they don't like about the scene.

gek opal said:
dissatisfaction breeds change...

Not if your dissatisfaction consists merely of sitting at your desk posting about it on forums.
 

benjybars

village elder.
Apologies - i've edited the thread title.

Why do you like it, tho? I'm not having a go, I'm genuinely interested in what people get out of it.

Have you heard the actual original tune I linked to? (which isn't Sleng Teng)


i like it because it makes me dance and jump around and dancing and jumping around makes me happy... it really is that simple i'm afraid//

i dunno, you obviously love reggae and dancehall alot and i can understand u feeling a bit precious about the original (i reckon i'd feel pretty weird if someone messed around with 'mud' in 20 years for example...), but as someone said earlier, this tune just goes OFF in a dance and that, basically, is what it comes down to. I'm not saying that all dubstep should be big skanky wobbly bangers, but this tune does it pretty damn well i reckon...
 

gek-opel

entered apprentice
Listen to our SubFm show if you're interested in the deeper, techno inspired, rhythmically varied side of things - added to that, what we're trying to do with Hessle Audio is a response not only to the influx of music we're not particularly enjoying, but also to people constantly moaning and not actually doing anything productive to change what they don't like about the scene.
Not if your dissatisfaction consists merely of sitting at your desk posting about it on forums.

UFO: hahaha...

Yeah The TRG stuff I've heard so far is good shit, 2step but even more tightly rhythmically wound up in an almost minimal like manner, vocals too- good work. What other stuff have you got planned for release? Also where does this stuff get played out?

PLUS- and on a positive tip--- not really been mentioned much but I thought Timeblind's "Ghostification" ep was really pretty decent- nicely sonically opposed to dreary drum-maximalism (and fantastic sound design).
 

UFO over easy

online mahjong
UFO: hahaha...

Yeah The TRG stuff I've heard so far is good shit, 2step but even more tightly rhythmically wound up in an almost minimal like manner, vocals too- good work. What other stuff have you got planned for release? Also where does this stuff get played out?

I can't really talk, I've been on here all night... :) The next Hessle Audio things are likely to be by Pangaea - www.myspace.com/journeytopangaea, and Ramadanman - www.myspace.com/ramadanman They probably won't surface for a few months though, as we're all students = penniless.

Come to Platform 1 on the 14th if you're in London, it should be good. It's a development of the old Red Star sessions which was basically the place to hear dubstep and grime up and comers before the owners backed out. Can't remember everyone who's playing at the next one but Chef and LD are headlining. They go quite deep sometimes, as well as playing the standard bangers. Oneman will play a ukg/dubstep set, he combines the two really well, better than anyone else probably. I'm playing at some point, I'll probably go quite deep..

But yeah, it's difficult. The problem from my perspective is less with the quality of the music being made, but getting to hear it out. FWD>> is still the only well attended regular night, and though they're booking a few more interesting people, like Appleblim and Jon Rust who play really different stuff, it's much of a muchness down there these days. And of course the lack of grime is well documented on here.

One of the problems is that most of the big producers also DJ, and play 90% their own tunes - not only does it mean that technically more qualified DJs don't get booked, but it also means the selection is so one dimensional that newer, less experienced producers don't have the luxury that Benga, Skream, DMZ etc had in the old days of hearing their tunes played on loud sound systems by good DJs. Pinch and Kode 9 are the obvious exceptions to this.


gek opal said:
PLUS- and on a positive tip--- not really been mentioned much but I thought Timeblind's "Ghostification" ep was really pretty decent- nicely sonically opposed to dreary drum-maximalism (and fantastic sound design).


That Timeblind thing is wicked yeah, that Ontological Grounds for Being tune is heavy. I think Kode 9 played that one quite a lot about a year ago. Still dig it out quite regularly :) Have you heard the new Martyn record blackdown's been writing about? Heavy stuff, and there's a lot more where that record came from too.

Two other things to check - the forthcoming 2562 record on Tectonic and this remix thing, under his Made Up Sound alias. Worth looking out for the Cyrus album too but that might not be so much your thing.
 
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gek-opel

entered apprentice
Yer Martyn's dubstep tracks (ie- shadowcasting/broken) are definitely headed in the right direction (broken beat house I think Blackdown called it). The 2562 choons I've heard are a bit like Peverelist in that they are right on the borderline between minimal and dubstep, heard on a fat system the sound like dubstep cos of the bass and slightly off 4-to-the-floor kick patterns, but a lot of the other elements are totally house.

I must confess that your assumptions were accurate, Cyrus doesn't do a lot for me...

Journey to Pangea- that's some of the deepest, most basic channelish stuff yet... nicely mysterious and enveloping without being evil or claustrophobic, dubby without containing any blatent plastic-rasta bullshit... a real sense of space in these productions, and the broken up house patterns... Now if this IS the new sound, then I apologise for being a (albeit partial) hata...
 

UFO over easy

online mahjong
The 2562 choons I've heard are a bit like Peverelist in that they are right on the borderline between minimal and dubstep, heard on a fat system the sound like dubstep cos of the bass and slightly off 4-to-the-floor kick patterns, but a lot of the other elements are totally house.

For sure - he makes broken beat and house I think. I love the peverelist stuff, but for me what makes a massive difference, especially with stuff as sparse as this, is the fact that 2562's production is absolutely fucking amazing. His tunes sound incredible on big systems and living room hifis alike. Look out for some Headhunter bits in this vein too, I'm thinking specifically of two tunes called Techo and Quantum. Only big DJ I've heard play either of them is Pinch but they're both on our subfm show regularly.
 
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Come to Platform 1 on the 14th if you're in London, it should be good. It's a development of the old Red Star sessions which was basically the place to hear dubstep and grime up and comers before the owners backed out.

i used to love Redstar Sessions, such a wicked informal night - Platform 1 is shaping up to be quite good aswell, saw benny ill down there a few weeks back, but unfortunately the venue isnt a patch on the redstar:(
 

Logan Sama

BestThereIsAtWhatIDo
Producers being booked as DJs is always a problem. They aren't DJs they are beat makers. It's the same reason Drum n Bass got very dull.

There are still a fair few specialist DJs in Dubstep though surely?
 

Alfons

Way of the future
Producers being booked as DJs is always a problem. They aren't DJs they are beat makers. It's the same reason Drum n Bass got very dull.

100% agree with this (although producers can still be good dj's off course). drum & bass is probably the biggest victim and mostly because producing is a good way to make a name for yourself but not a very good way to make money. Is this as common in techno and house?
 

muser

Well-known member
this track is a bit like the countless tracks that have used limb by limb, as long as the backing sound is vaguely what people where expecting you can make any shit, wack limb by limb on it and you'll get a load of pissed bellends dancing their asses off.
 

Blackdown

nexKeysound
Producers being booked as DJs is always a problem. They aren't DJs they are beat makers. It's the same reason Drum n Bass got very dull.

i dunno, i dont think it's "always" a problem, i like the producer-djs, esp when they dont give their shit out: it makes their sets an event. They're unique also because each beat has been made to fit a vision of their "sound" and will compliment the next track, as it's come from the same mind, just like all words from a given MC aren't delivered the same yet sound like they're from the same person.

producer-dj sets get dull when the DJ can't mix or the selection isnt very good, but this isnt an issue exclusive to producer-DJs, but DJs in general (and in fact mixing your own tunes is easier).
 

Logan Sama

BestThereIsAtWhatIDo
i dunno, i dont think it's "always" a problem, i like the producer-djs, esp when they dont give their shit out: it makes their sets an event. They're unique also because each beat has been made to fit a vision of their "sound" and will compliment the next track, as it's come from the same mind, just like all words from a given MC aren't delivered the same yet sound like they're from the same person.

producer-dj sets get dull when the DJ can't mix or the selection isnt very good, but this isnt an issue exclusive to producer-DJs, but DJs in general (and in fact mixing your own tunes is easier).

DJs who cant mix tend to not end up getting booked though. DJs who put together one dimensional sets also tend not to get booked outside of club residencies.

I don't really agree in the practise of widespread producer djs. They are good as a novelty to add flavour to a night. But when they outnumber specialist DJs on a line up then you have issues.
 

ThinKing

Well-known member
Look out for some Headhunter bits in this vein too, I'm thinking specifically of two tunes called Techo and Quantum. Only big DJ I've heard play either of them is Pinch but they're both on our subfm show regularly.

yea he's got some good new ones, linking Techo in particular. Been caning one called Spiro on our show which is one of his best yet imo, still using a lot of the same grooves and bass sounds, but developing his ideas further, introducing some more interesting samples too.



Pinch's version of 'Answer' by Tony Tuff


That's Henry & Louis, not Tony Tuff

http://www.myspace.com/henryandlouis
 
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