yeah i think saying its the new detroit is a bit OTT. the thing thats made dubstep change so much and 'exciting' is that its absorbed so much from elsewhere, which is whats led to a lot of it no longer sounding much like dubstep, well except for a certain sensibility/aesthetic. its really not about dubstep influencing everyone in other scenes, more that dubstep now houses elements of all those scenes inside itself. yeah eve vocalled a benga beat but its not exactly like everyone in american hip hop is stealing ideas from dubstep.
Dubstep
Yeah, if something is a dramatic shift in direction its detractors usually say stuff like "it's too weird", "it's no longer music", "i don't understand what this even is!" etc.
Around the time Loefah and so on were first doing their thing dubstep's detractors said stuff like "I've heard it all before", "it's boring", "it's just DNB slowed down", etc.
benjybars
village elder.
Sorry, I must've got it wrong. What were dubstep's detractors saying?
it wasn't near popular enough to know about, never mind hate on
benjybars
village elder.
exactly. not like people were banging on about how boring Horror Show was.. it must have sold about 12 copies when it was initially released.
I went to that Swamp 81 thing at gramaphone last night. system was surprisingly tasty.
instramental played some insane Ramadanman bit which i think is coming on that double pack.
also heard one Addison Groove which knocked me sideways.
benny ill really can't mix that well can he?!
bollocks. for the record there was a lot of...
d&b fans: it's too slow
grime heads: it's too small a scene
garage heads: it's too dark/wierd
bloggers/critics: it's not as good as garage
breaks heads: it's too slow
everyone else: it will never go anywhere.
i'm not trying to be vitriolic, but it's fact that there was no end of people writing it off.
PS anyone want to chime in here? apparantly chainsaw wobble is souful and dubstep before 2004 doesnt count.
yeah i suppose it doesnt really matter if they think its shite cos its boring/rave preservation society/slowed down D&B/rhythmically plodding/over production hiding a paucity of ideas (i came up with quite a few reasons lol), people getting quite angry about something being shit for whatever reason usually means something is happening. though what does this mean if lots of people think something is just good? does that mean its shite?
argh. memories of a conversation in my home town at christmas in which rusko was ernestly referred to as an "originator"
oh and cheers for this - i was looking for a new monicker for my creative er, efforts...."fifty quid soundboy" it is! sums me up perfectly - just switch coldplay for hyperdub: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2004/mar/01/popandrock2
benjybars
village elder.
if anyone fancys a proper laugh..check this thread on dsf..
http://www.dubstepforum.com/2-of-nottinghams-up-and-coming-produces-you-need-to-know-t52198-200.html
http://www.dubstepforum.com/2-of-nottinghams-up-and-coming-produces-you-need-to-know-t52198-200.html
wise
bare BARE BONES
"what you have to understand is that we make what we like
and at the moment caspa and rusko makes the kind of dubstep that makes you wanna flykick a homeless person
Thats what we like so thats what we create "
Nice
nomos
Administrator
OTM. Virtually no one wanted to know before March 2006 and they weren't shy about saying it. Then, a great many either got on board, or took the subsequent deluge of shit productions as after the fact support for the misinformed critiques they'd been spinning off for a couple years previous (e.g. "See! This awful no-name half-step wobble from fall 2006 totally speaks to my complaints about Plasticman and Slaughter Mob in early-2004," etc.).
I guess I am being vitriolic. That stuff really got up my nose though.
yep i remember a review of plastician and markone in one room and kompakt in other in nyc and the writer wrote the first off as the past and kompakt as the future which was confusing.
thats funny because for me they make the kind of music that makes me want to fly kick them
Leo
Well-known member
interesting article. i imagine it must still be true now, perhaps even more so.
