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Martin Dust said:
It's well known that pedo's make there stuff from catalogues and nappy adverts etc. I believe it's also illegal in the USA, didn't Peter Sotos get into trouble for his magazine Pure?
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Lol I didn't know that either about the catalogues, though some nappy adverts I always thought were a bit suspect...I dunno what Peter got charged with exactly, never spoke to him about it, but must have been pictures.
 
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Apparently there are sites where 'nonces' trade completely legal, fully-clothed photos of kids. It's a contensious one, eh?

Wondered when Sotos was gonna get mentioned. He's very repetitive isn't he? The cops were interested in him because of the contents of "PURE", which was just writing, his demented out-to-shock fantasy stuff, all very nasty etc...they searched his pad and found a mag called "Incest" which did contain pics of underage...which he got charged for...that one mag.

Not sure about Langham at all, I don't buy that 'research' angle, very stupid. But Pete Townshend got away with the very same...wha g'wan eh?
 
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Noah Baby Food said:
Apparently there are sites where 'nonces' trade completely legal, fully-clothed photos of kids. It's a contensious one, eh?

Wondered when Sotos was gonna get mentioned. He's very repetitive isn't he? The cops were interested in him because of the contents of "PURE", which was just writing, his demented out-to-shock fantasy stuff, all very nasty etc...they searched his pad and found a mag called "Incest" which did contain pics of underage...which he got charged for...that one mag.

Not sure about Langham at all, I don't buy that 'research' angle, very stupid. But Pete Townshend got away with the very same...wha g'wan eh?
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Pure wasn't just text, unless you count big spunking cocks over pictures of missing kids as just text. Pure like his work with Whitehouse is pretty heavy going.
 
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Noah Baby Food

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Martin Dust said:
Pure wasn't just text, unless you count big spunking cocks over pictures of missing kids as just text. Pure like his work with Whitehouse is pretty heavy going.
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yeah, seen - my point being it wasn't explicit photos of youths, ie porn (apart from one of the covers as I recall..hmmm)...the content of Pure was, presumably legal, despite being rough as fuck. Sotos is really heavy going - I know there's loads of 'intellectual content' behind what he does etc etc, and precedents in Jean Genet and people like that etc etc, but I can't be fucking arsed with him, life's too short...SLIGHT DERAILMENT...
 
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Noah Baby Food said:
life's too short...SLIGHT DERAILMENT...
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I don't think it's a derailment, and I dunno about where you are, but in the UK child abuse is just everywhere in the tabloid newspapers, so I don't think Peter is being anything other than a mirror. I really wonder if it's like this in other countries, cos in the UK it's just everywhere as a topic, and I think people ( i.e artists ) do have to look at why, it's a very strange one, and produces surprising reactions.
I mean, I was in a pub the other week and the table next to me were playing a 'who is your ideal date' game and they reached over and asked me and I said 'Madeleine' and I nearly got fucking lynched. It's very strange.
 
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Noah Baby Food

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I'm from UK too mate (i'm Lloyd's mate btw), and yes, totally hear you there...it's a big national, prurient, hypocritical obsession in the media and it masks/allows some really nasty traits within people (lynch mob mentality etc, see Brass Eye, that shit in Portsmouth a few years ago, paediatricians getting their houses burnt etc). Stuff like that Madeleine malarkey is talking on a lot of different levels, lost innocence, ideas of childhood etc etc...whereas fucking loads of brown kids die in places like Iraq and the papers don't give a shit. seen...but...

Thing is though, not having met the gent, but having read a lot of interviews with him/stuff about him, I think Sotos' raison d'etre IS just actually "I am a nonce, I love this material"...have read stuff where he kinda poo-poos the over analysis of his work and just says "i write this stuff because of limited options, I'm obsessed". are people reading too much into the dude?
 
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Noah Baby Food said:
I'm from UK too mate (i'm Lloyd's mate btw), and yes, totally hear you there...it's a big national, prurient, hypocritical obsession in the media and it masks/allows some really nasty traits within people (lynch mob mentality etc, see Brass Eye, that shit in Portsmouth a few years ago, paediatricians getting their houses burnt etc). Stuff like that Madeleine malarkey is talking on a lot of different levels, lost innocence, ideas of childhood etc etc...whereas fucking loads of brown kids die in places like Iraq and the papers don't give a shit. seen...but...

Thing is though, not having met the gent, but having read a lot of interviews with him/stuff about him, I think Sotos' raison d'etre IS just actually "I am a nonce, I love this material"...have read stuff where he kinda poo-poos the over analysis of his work and just says "i write this stuff because of limited options, I'm obsessed". are people reading too much into the dude?
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Oh hey Noah, sorry didn't realise it was you! cheers for that hook up btw, I love Lloyd's work. He's gettin nuff fans in my circuit now.

I've met and gone drinkin with and am in contact with Pete - I'd consider him a friend and hope he would me - and I think he poo-poos his work because he's a very sensitive, shy, modest bloke ( really ).
After nights and nights of getting slaughtered with him, he's very moral about why he does what he does, he's also a big fan of early 70s feminism, and I think he draws his style from that sort of polemical writing. I'd imagine that the interviews - and certainly his performances - are part of dealing with other aspects of his psyche and also just playing a game with the media, and himself, y'know, that type of 'you think I'm this? well I am then' type of behaviour. I'd put that down to humility, to being embarrassed at being asked. But I'm not totally sure, I can't speak for him and I'll ask him if he wants to respond himself.

He's also one of the funniest people I've ever met.
 
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Noah Baby Food

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Alright Jim!

you know the feller eh? yeah, one thing I must say, Sotos is INTERESTING. I know he's a big Dworkin fan. And what he does is certainly very fucking brave. I know Steve Albini is good pals with him.

the fact that he provokes debate is surely a good thing. it is essential for taboo subjects to be deconstructed and explored. I am naturally attracted to really transgressive stuff - Savoy books, nasty horror/exploitation, mondo, all that jazz. however, i've found the effect of the (small amount of) stuff I've read by him to be bludgeoning, and after a while you just go numb. maybe (probably?) that's the idea though...

he must be writing a book about the McCann carry-on...I'd lay money on it.
 
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Noah Baby Food said:
however, i've found the effect of the (small amount of) stuff I've read by him to be bludgeoning, and after a while you just go numb. maybe (probably?) that's the idea though...
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Yeah, I reckon he's definitely going for a kinda anti-numbing by numbing, if that makes sense. good blog btw!
 
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Noah Baby Food

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I've just been in talks with Richard Briers about narrating a series of Peter Sotos audiobooks. We're going to give them away free with the Mail On Sunday.
 
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Martin Dust said:
Pure wasn't just text, unless you count big spunking cocks over pictures of missing kids as just text. Pure like his work with Whitehouse is pretty heavy going.
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Isn't stuff like this just totally redundant in a post-Brass Eye culture?
 
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Maybe so but this dates from the early eighties.
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Hmm, that occurred to me almost as soon as I posted it.

I don't mind stuff that's shocking as long as it is also funny or has some kind of worthwhile point, but I think the whole shocking-for-the-sake-of-it thing is really, really tired now. Having said that, I don't know anything about this Soto guy, but from what people (well, Noah) are saying about him it seems there isn't much to it other than what it appears to be at first sight.
 
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Noah Baby Food

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I've read that yeah, the criticism is KINDA obvious though isn't it? ie, rape, nazism, abusing women, white male power, serial killers are BAD and you shouldn't do it.
 
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