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HMGovt’s Glorious Return!

HMGovt’s Glorious Return!

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swears said:
I 've met a few fellas basically like that. One guy called me a conformist recently for working in an office. (Some of us don't have much choice, pal)
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But that does make you a conformist and indeed, a sucker punk motherfucker to boot. I've served my time working in offices and no good comes of it.
 
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nomadologist

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i don't think anyone (in the US) forgoes money or a good job out of spite. the basic rule of life as i've observed it is: if someone can get more money somehow, they will gladly do whatever it takes.

there are lazy people scattered throughout every sector of life, i don't think it's an affliction specific to the impoverished.
 
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noel emits

a wonderful wooden reason
Maybe, I think I'd rather live under a bridge than work in an office (well, most offices) again.

You're so American nomadologist.

Myself and lots of people I know would probably like more money, but we'll take quality of life and being able to do what we like and think is right first.
 
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nomadologist

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working in an office sucks in some ways, in others it's great: sit at a computer all day, read the news, pay your bills, get any chores done at your desk so you can go home and do whatever you want. show up late. etc.
 
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tate

Brown Sugar
nomadologist said:
In the 80s, there was a big difference between hip-hop (a nascent genre at the time and considered still "underground" for the most part) and top 40 r&b and pop.

Edit: maybe you didn't say that, but you responded to me with it, and I was talking about hip-hop.
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noel emits said:
And hip-hop was bloody huge in the 80s.
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nomadologist said:
Huge where? It had barely begun. Nothing is "huge" in the U.S. that doesn't make it onto the charts. So you're wrong.
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Hip-hop had barely begun in the 1980s? No chart hits in the 1980s? That's nonsense. Not only were there chart hits, but hip-hop began to penetrate popular culture at the same time - Beat Street, Breakin,' and Breakin 2 were popular films released in NINETEEN EIGHTY FOUR. I chuckle at your earlier attempt to explain to me the difference between R&B and hip-hop in the 1980s, since I experienced and loved that music as it was being released, and you were what ... barely born? ( EDITED b/c unnecessarily inflammatory )
 
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noel emits said:
Myself and lots of people I know would probably like more money, but we'll take quality of life and being able to do what we like and think is right first.
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That's why you're so British. In the U.S. most adult males in the top 50th percentile of earners work well over 50 hours a week and have no more than 10 days vacation per year (not counting federal holidays). Everyone in America already sacrifices quality of life for more money.
 
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tate said:
Hip-hop had barely begun in the 1980s? No chart hits in the 1980s? That's nonsense. Not only were there chart hits, but hip-hop penetrated popular culture at the same time - Beat Street, Breakin,' and Breakin 2 were popular films released in NINETEEN EIGHTY FOUR. I chuckle at your earlier attempt to explain to me the difference between R&B and hip-hop in the 1980s, since I experienced and loved that music as it was being released, and you were what ... barely born? On the evidence of this thread, you're not in much of a position to be giving music history lessons to anyone.
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Name the chart topping hip-hop, please, and show me billboard links that verify your claims.

Hip-hop might have been a cultural force as early as the early 80s, but it was in no way "HUGE" or well-known in the rural mid-west.
 
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nomadologist

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And yes, hip-hop had "barely begun" in the 80s, if you look at its rise to worldwide chart-topping preeminence over the past 25 years or more. The kind of thing that was going on the 1970s was barely a blip on the radar at the time, if you look at the charts from the time.
 
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noel emits said:
What's the point of that?

In any case, I don't need to calculate how many hours I work because I love what I do.
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Awesome. You're lucky, then!

I don't know what the point of it is. I'm just pointing out that it happens.
 
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swears

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HMGovt said:
But that does make you a conformist and indeed, a sucker punk motherfucker to boot. I've served my time working in offices and no good comes of it.
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Jesus christ. Like nomadologist said, there are benefits to working in an office, especially for someone like me who: a) Is crap at manual labour, and b) was only ever really any good at English in school (you may have noticed I've gotten worse since). I never went to uni, because I thought it would be more to my advantage to start work at 19. It's not a dream life, but I gon't have that many options. From a political point of view, even if we all woke up in a perfect socialist utopia tomorrow, there would still have to be suckers like me doing the paperwork.
 
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tate

Brown Sugar
nomadologist said:
Name the chart topping hip-hop, please, and show me billboard links that verify your claims.

Hip-hop might have been a cultural force as early as the early 80s, but it was in no way "HUGE" or well-known in the rural mid-west.
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Is this a joke? I give up.
 
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nomadologist

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It's hilarious to me that it's inconceivable to some people that anyone would be dispassionate enough about work to prefer taking a paycheck for doing something boring and easy to, say, bothering to take the kind of risks entailed in working freelance.
 
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nomadologist

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tate said:
Is this a joke? I give up.
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No. Do it. Show me how hip-hop was "huge" in the early 80s in the mid-West.

If it was, it seems like it would be easy to come up with some references to back it up. Like, say, album sales charts or essays by journalists of the time...
 
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noel emits

a wonderful wooden reason
A mainstream pop group had a No.1 US Billboard hit (UK No.5) in 1981 with a hip-hop informed single. That's cultural penetration.

Sugarhill Gang's 'Rapper's Delight' was #3 in the UK in 1979.

You can look up Grand Master Flash, Rock Steady Crew, Run DMC, Adam And The Ants, Malcolm McLarren, Art Of Noise, LOL. It was everywhere. Maybe tate knows better than I do what the actual chart placings were but I know I was immersed in the stuff at the time and as a 10-15 year old not really all that deep into the underground.

Edit: Beastie Boys, LL Cool J....
 
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noel emits said:
A mainstream pop group had a No.1 US Billboard hit (UK No.5) in 1981 with a hip-hop informed single. That's cultural penetration.

Sugarhill Gang's 'Rapper's Delight' was #3 in the UK in 1979.
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Rapper's Delight only hit #36 on the US charts. Maybe higher on the R&B charts than the pop charts, I don't know tho.
 
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nomadologist

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Now we have hip-hop at the top of the pop charts constantly.
 
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nomadologist

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noel emits said:
A mainstream pop group had a No.1 US Billboard hit (UK No.5) in 1981 with a hip-hop informed single. That's cultural penetration.

Sugarhill Gang's 'Rapper's Delight' was #3 in the UK in 1979.

You can look up Grand Master Flash, Rock Steady Crew, Run DMC, Adam And The Ants, Malcolm McLarren, Art Of Noise, LOL. It was everywhere. Maybe tate knows better than I do what the actual chart placings were but I know I was immersed in the stuff at the time and as a 10-15 year old not really all that deep into the underground.
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Yeah, just like indie rock in the 90s was "everywhere" but hardly what I'd call commercially "huge"
 
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