Mr BoShambles
jambiguous
I'd be really interested to see the documentation you mention regarding repression of workers rights in the Far East. Were they really repressed or just bad already?ok, some interesting points. what would you say to the argument that governments seeking to encourage capitalist investment/mnc's etc... ban trade unions, actively move to lower wages, decrease legislation towards job security etc... as has been well documented in the Far East. And if that is the result of the political system of said country behaving too greedily in wanting to catch up with the rest of the world/pocket the money, then who's fault is that. Once again im talking about capitalism as more than just economic policy, as something that influences everything in our lives. The emphasis on inequality capitalism places in order to operate is not, in my opinion, restricted to economics nor conducive to the environment i would prefer to be living in
children work because they have to help their parents pay the rent (poor america/ and many "modernising" cities) buy the food (because they are no longer growing it) pay for healthcare, pay transport, pay for union representation (some cases) pay electricity bills (again some cases)
And? This is economic necessity. But as the family saves and borrows and aquires assets and/or improves the value of their labour they become wealthier. Perhaps the next generation of children in this family won't have to work. And as society as a whole becomes wealthier, pressure can be applied upon the politico-legal structure to recognise/formalise peoples 'rights'.
have you read upton sinclair's - the jungle. a bit biased but it gives a chilling account of the "efficiency" and "willingness" upon which people subject themselves to this work.
No but I'll check it out....thanks.
And yes, they create false markets to taunt us with goods we dont actually need, use up our resources in making them and some to dispose of them.
What is false about the markets that MNC's create. They supply goods which are demanded. Or they produce goods which are perhaps unecessary i.e people didn't need them before - but if people buy them the companies will keep on producing them. And what are our resources for if its not to be used? Capitalism drives innovation and I believe that these processes will 'discover' ways to deal with resource depletion/future extinction. Basically they have to since the whole system will depend on it.
have you also considered the increasingly disposable culture we are developing, where we need to produce more and more for companies to sell more and more to remain profitable.
Why do companies need to produce and sell more to remain profitable? If the cost of the inputs in fall (labour, materials, transport etc) then the price of the goods can fall and companies will remain profitable. However if the cost of inputs rise then the price of goods or the amount of goods produced (for equivalent inputs) has to rise in order for companies to remain profitable. Production of goods and services is constantly rising for a couple of reasons off the top of my head:
1.partly because there are more and more people on planet earth meaning an ever increasing workforce and an every increasing demand for basic goods;
2.partly because rising levels of wealth mean an ever-growing middle class with expendable income who create an ever-growing demand for consumer goods.
None of this is bad though surely? A growing market, diversifying and specializing, driving down prices (in the main) while absolute standards of living improve for the majority.
i accept you argument about some resources not being fully appreciated before capitalism but surely you can agree that the earth is a finite resource, and this expansion cannot continue forever.
The earth is certainly a finite resource but man's ingenuity is not. Since capitalism, more than any previous organisational system (at least any with the capacity to sustain 6 billion + human beings) drives rapid evolution and change it surely represents our best hope of dealing with loss of resources. The surplus wealth generated by capitalism is exactly what is necessary to do the research and fund the test pilots of innovations/technologies designed to deal with resource depletion. How would socialism, or whatever, detract from the inevitable problem that resources are finite? And would socialism, or whatever, be able to create the incentives to really mobilise people towrds finding alternative solutions?
also i'd like you to consider war, and its driving force in the global economy right now, how america is inches away from economic meltdown because its investing billions into arms to destroy other places.
So America has a looming economic crisis and this is all due to wars it's fighting now (and in the past i guess)? Have you got some factual evidence i can see to support these assertions?
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