Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

[william kent]

 

[thirdform]

Student movements cannot present a history or a historical tradition.
At the time of the liberal bourgeois revolutions, whether republican or only constitutional, the movements or organisms of students did not have any autonomous actions or objectives. The student groups of the time joined the bourgeois, patriotic or Carbonarist revolutionaries, and sometimes, as in Italy in Curtatone and Montanara, they fought in the ranks of independentist organisations. In France it is certain that the students of the time were among the stormers of the Bastille and the sans-culottes, as well as among the soldiers of the revolutionary armies under the command of the former student of the military school Napoléon Bonaparte. In these cases as in others, the only autonomous class, leading the revolutions and aspiring to the new power, was the financial and entrepreneurial big bourgeoisie.
Today, in this rotting 1968, the defence of the autonomy of a student movement by the false communists who succeeded Stalin is nothing more than a new confirmation of the depth of their entanglement in the quicksand of treason and denial. Definitely falling into the depths of the worst social-democratic revisionism, attracted by the prospect of obscene electoral manoeuvres, they developed an absurd thesis according to which students would constitute a social class; they even consider as an extremist left of these incoherent movements, the elements that invoke Mao’s China and that defend on the theoretical level in regard to the state, the formula of “workers’ power”.
Since the false communists of today, heirs of Stalin here as in Budapest, Warsaw or Prague, claim to represent the working class and even the centre of a repugnant and gross organisational and parliamentary unity, we who are the only ones who have remained faithful to the original and invariant doctrine of Marxism, we are entitled to consider as worthy of their cucked face and corresponding stomach, the impassive swallowing and digestion of the absurd theory according to which the gangs of students more or less inflamed by the idea of skipping courses, hanging teachers and cheating on examinations, would form a social class to whom this shameful quotation would be addressed: “Go ahead, young people! Today, it is up to you to play, we offer you at a low price, in pounds sterling or ultra-devalued dollars, the leading role in the world revolution that we had always claimed for the red proletariat”.
The deal is a scam because university students and others are not a real class, nor are all the layers that crowd behind them: intellectuals, such as writers, artists, histrions of different types in which the degeneration of this bourgeois society crystallises: scribblers, daubers, rumour disseminators and hoarse screamers; whereas the working class is a real class that a gang of pimps undresses to prostitute and sell on the market.

Il Programma Comunista – Elementary Note on Students and the Authentic Marxism of the Left

PDF-Version: Il Programma Comunista – Elementary Note on Students and the Authentic Marxism of the Left Student movements cannot present a history or a historical tradition. At the time of th…

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[william kent]

"... we who are the only ones who have remained faithful to the original and invariant doctrine of Marxism... "

Every flavour of Marxist seems to think of themselves this way.

 

[dilbert1]

It makes me think of this lady:

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who always makes me think I'm about to watch Ghostbusters.

Sad Pavlovian response. Have our delicious treats corrupted your minds, or is that a congenital deficiency? I’d imagine Boston’s Sons of Liberty work up your craving for a nice early grey, @Mr. Tea, your chosen name in fact. Joke country my ass

Columbia (/kəˈlʌmbiə/; kə-LUM-bee-ə), also known as Miss Columbia, is a female national personification of the United States. It was also a historical name applied to the Americas and to the New World. Images of the Statue of Liberty (Liberty Enlightening the World, erected in 1886) largely displaced personified Columbia as the female symbol of the United States by around 1920, although Lady Liberty was seen as an aspect of Columbia. Columbia is a Neo-Latin toponym, used since the 1730s to refer to the Thirteen Colonies that would form the United States. It originated from the name of the Genoese explorer Christopher Columbus and from the Latin ending -ia, common in the Latin names of countries (paralleling Britannia, Gallia, Zealandia, and others).

 

[Murphy]

 

[yyaldrin]

germany is a fascist shithole of a country that loves genocide

this weekend there was a palestine congress organised. police threatened and harrased the owners of the venues so that the organisation had to switch places three times. when it did take place, people were denied entry. police eventually stormed the building, shut down electricity and banned the whole event for the entire weekend. a gazan doctor who was invited to speak was even denied entry to the country, just as yanis varoufakis, who is now forbidden to send any sort of political messages through video's such as zoom.

apparently the aformentioned doctor is not allowed to enter europe at all

 

[mixed_biscuits]

He's getting grounded when he gets home.

 

[yyaldrin]

thank you for sharing that 🫥

 

[mixed_biscuits]

Can someone get the narrative back on track here please?

 

[william kent]

Strapped down, blindfolded, held in diapers: Israeli whistleblowers detail abuse of Palestinians in shadowy detention center

CNN spoke to three Israeli whistleblowers who worked at the Sde Teiman desert camp, which holds Palestinians detained during Israel’s invasion of Gaza. All spoke out at risk of legal repercussions and reprisals from groups supportive of Israel’s hardline policies in Gaza.

They paint a picture of a facility where doctors sometimes amputated prisoners’ limbs due to injuries sustained from constant handcuffing; of medical procedures sometimes performed by underqualified medics earning it a reputation for being “a paradise for interns”; and where the air is filled with the smell of neglected wounds left to rot.

According to the accounts, the facility some 18 miles from the Gaza frontier is split into two parts: enclosures where around 70 Palestinian detainees from Gaza are placed under extreme physical restraint, and a field hospital where wounded detainees are strapped to their beds, wearing diapers and fed through straws.

“They stripped them down of anything that resembles human beings,” said one whistleblower, who worked as a medic at the facility’s field hospital.

“(The beatings) were not done to gather intelligence. They were done out of revenge,” said another whistleblower. “It was punishment for what they (the Palestinians) did on October 7 and punishment for behavior in the camp.”

 

[Mr. Tea]

Strapped down, blindfolded, held in diapers: Israeli whistleblowers detail abuse of Palestinians in shadowy detention center

CNN spoke to three Israeli whistleblowers who worked at the Sde Teiman desert camp, which holds Palestinians detained during Israel’s invasion of Gaza. All spoke out at risk of legal repercussions and reprisals from groups supportive of Israel’s hardline policies in Gaza.

They paint a picture of a facility where doctors sometimes amputated prisoners’ limbs due to injuries sustained from constant handcuffing; of medical procedures sometimes performed by underqualified medics earning it a reputation for being “a paradise for interns”; and where the air is filled with the smell of neglected wounds left to rot.

According to the accounts, the facility some 18 miles from the Gaza frontier is split into two parts: enclosures where around 70 Palestinian detainees from Gaza are placed under extreme physical restraint, and a field hospital where wounded detainees are strapped to their beds, wearing diapers and fed through straws.

“They stripped them down of anything that resembles human beings,” said one whistleblower, who worked as a medic at the facility’s field hospital.

“(The beatings) were not done to gather intelligence. They were done out of revenge,” said another whistleblower. “It was punishment for what they (the Palestinians) did on October 7 and punishment for behavior in the camp.”

@mixed_biscuits will now tell us why this is all Hamas's fault.

 

[shakahislop]

The Lower East Side

 

[luka]

only israel stickers here are scratched up and defaced including photos of the hostages

 

[william kent]

There are reports of people manufacturing incidents of antisemitism:

Message from the President

It saddens me to inform you that earlier today two swastikas and the words “Death to Israel” were found scratched into a step of the Amphitheater. The student who reported finding the swastikas admitted to the University Police Department that he himself scratched them into the stone. The...

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UBC student group falsely framed for 'dangerous stickers' still seeking answers: 'Vitriol,' 'malice'

The University of British Columbia increased security measures to protect students and staff after “I (heart) Hamas” stickers spotted on campus reportedly led to students facing threats of deportation and violence online.

ca.news.yahoo.com

This one's less clear cut as there hasn't been a motive declared yet, maybe it was a personal dispute or something else and there's no political angle, but it doesn't look good:

CRIME BRIEFS: Toronto synagogue member accused of arson

Toronto Police have arrested a synagogue member in an arson investigation stemming from a fire late last week in North York.

torontosun.com

 

[william kent]

Apparently this was aired on Israeli TV. That you'd want this broadcast is mind boggling. Horrible footage.

 

[Mr. Tea]

This conflict (if you can call something so one-sided a 'conflict') seems to be sending people completely insane, doesn't it?

 

[yyaldrin]

Apparently this was aired on Israeli TV. That you'd want this broadcast is mind boggling. Horrible footage.

hadn't seen this yet wtf

 

[yyaldrin]

This conflict (if you can call something so one-sided a 'conflict') seems to be sending people completely insane, doesn't it?

i feel like i'm going insane sometimes too. because there is such an gigantic enormeous difference between that what i see and think and that what the media and politicians are saying and doing.

 

[Mr. Tea]

i feel like i'm going insane sometimes too. because there is such an gigantic enormeous difference between that what i see and think and that what the media and politicians are saying and doing.

Well, that too, but I was referring specifically to these cases of fake hate crimes. I just can't really understand the thought processes of the people who do them. They're always so ham-fisted about it and invariably get caught and exposed, and then it ends up fuelling the very prejudice that you'd have thought they would want to fight.

It's like that infamous antisemitic cartoon of a stereotypical Wicked Jew - an ugly, hairy, sly-looking man with a huge nose - spraying a swastika on a wall; but here there's a case of a Jewish guy actually doing that. As if there aren't already enough people who automatically yell "false flag!" whenever there's something about real antisemitism in the news.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

@mixed_biscuits will now tell us why this is all Hamas's fault.

All that stuff is obviously bad and should be done otherwise but it doesn't change what Mr Hamas above acknowleges is the necessary Israeli objective.