Is this the end of the Reagan/Rove right?

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polystyle

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True enough, but this is an election year and this guy was Bush's press sec.
The Repuglican White House can't believe one of their 'own' went to these lengths - in print
and is making the round doing more interviews, spreading it out for more news cycles.
Broke the same day Mccain appeared at fundraiser with McBush ...
 
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crackerjack

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be afraid, be very afraid

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/may/30/rupertmurdoch.wallstreetjournal


News Corporation chairman and chief executive Rupert Murdoch has used his newly acquired technology conference D6 to throw his weight behind "rock star" Barack Obama's presidential campaign, as well as giving his views on the Wall Street Journal.

Speaking at the Wall Street Journal D6 conference in Carlsbad, California, Murdoch was asked by veteran tech correspondent Walt Mossberg if he had played a part in the New York Post's endorsement of Obama.

"Yeah," he replied, candidly. The select audience of entrepreneurs and digital business executives at the conference earlier this week cheered, as can be seen in the accompanying video.

"We're on the verge of a complete phenomenon," Murdoch said. "Politicians are at an all-time low and are despised by 80% of the public, and then you've got a candidate trying to put himself out above it all. He's become a rock star. It's fantastic.

"There are a lot of problems. The education system in this country is a total disgrace."
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Hopefully Obama won't make the same mistake as Nu-Lab, when they allowed themselves to believe it was Murdoch's endorsement wot won it.
 
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polystyle

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Hear you on that too.
Rupert has mixed profile over here ,
hogging the credit or his er 'delivering' an Obama election might not be so easy ...
 
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aMinadaB

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Congratulations to Senator Obama! For the first time in a very long time it feels as if something historic has happened ... as american politics go, this is borderline miraculous ... and damn if it doesn't feel oh-so-fine to watch him give that victory speech ...
 
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luka

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someone find that thing padriag wrote about how naive we all were to belive obama had any chance of being the candiidate... that is was all a stitch up etc etc etc... so we can laugh at him.
 
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crackerjack

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luka said:
someone find that thing padriag wrote about how naive we all were to belive obama had any chance of being the candiidate... that is was all a stitch up etc etc etc... so we can laugh at him.
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He was right about some of the names he called Clinton though ;)
 
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polystyle

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Well , give him ( P ) a no prize.
One can go back in the threads and look at quite a few people here who didn't see Obama coming on.
And you can hear what people over here are calling her.
She's still THERE , she feels entitled !
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/05/us/politics/04cnd-campaign.html?hp

Having Obama and a first woman Vp would be a great idea and that would win the election -but again, not Hillary.
At least half the country has visceral dislike for her.
Can understand the disapointment of all the women out there who wanted 'ol Hil to be their great hope up there ,
but her and the other dynasty are on the wrong side o' history this time ...
 
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swears

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I was thinking, if Obama wins...

won't there be loads of pissed off right-wing nutcases up in arms about it?

I can imagine a huge rise in dodgy militias and general far-right crankery. Give Louis Theroux some good subject matter, I suppose.
 
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aMinadaB

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polystyle desu said:
Can understand the disapointment of all the women out there who wanted 'ol Hil to be their great hope up there ,
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As if "all the women out there" were robots who preferred Hillary simply because she's a woman? Come on. The electorate - and "women" voters - are more complicated than that. I hear what you are saying, polystyle, but I can tell you that I know many people who are sick to death of the media drone about "women voters," as if they were some sort of manipulable mindless mass. In any case, one of the ironies about the incessant Hillary loathing is that Obama himself still seems quite fond of her. Doubt that he'd select her though, for political reasons. Pstyle's right, she's a cipher for all sorts of dislike, from principled disgust at the way she ran her campaign (e.g., people like me) to good old fashioned sexism and many other versions of hostility in between.
 
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aMinadaB

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swears said:
I was thinking, if Obama wins...

won't there be loads of pissed off right-wing nutcases up in arms about it?
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Hard to say. It actually doesn't feel that way right now, for a couple of reasons:

(1) right-wing nutcases, just like everyone else in the country, are reminded on a daily basis just how badly the Bush administration has failed: gas prices twice what folks are used to, and food prices through the roof. Whether the Iraq situation bears ultimately on the price of gas or not, average folks are reminded of a general malaise resulting from oil dependency, and a failure of policy in Iraq, on a very, very regular basis. It's hard to be righteously indignant and a nutted out nationalist religious freak when your Freak In Chief, George Bush, put you in this position

(2) Obama has made it very clear that he is going to take on the right-wing smear arguments. In his acceptance speech Tuesday, he directly addressed the fact that Republicans will try to use religion as a wedge, will try to create fear about the middle east, and will attempt to divide the country. He is not only willing but eager to take that point of view and shove it right back down their hypocritical throats, and it is going to be very entertaining to watch McCain twist in the wind as he becomes more desperate and thus prone to such (absolutely typical) traditional republican smear tactics, which Obama has already pre-emptively named, labelled, branded negatively, and discredited.

One of the (many) appealing things about Obama is that he knows his candidacy is bigger than he is, that it is about something much more than his own record or personal appeal, and for that reason he gets enormous political benefit and capital from staying true to principles. And is constantly rewarded by the electorate for those principles. Great example: now that he's the nominee, he has asked the Democratic National Committee to abide by the same fund-raising rules that he has implemented in his own campaign since the beginning: not a dime from lobbyists, and not a dime from political action committees. The DNC is now forbidden to raise money, even for its own projects and endeavors, through those means. Never in history (to my knowledge) has a candidate instituted such restrictions, and the beautiful thing is that even with said restrictions he has outraised any political candidate in history. Grassroots actually means something here in this case, and it's encouraging to see.
 
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crackerjack

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aMinadaB said:
Hard to say. It actually doesn't feel that way right now, for a couple of reasons:

(1) right-wing nutcases, just like everyone else in the country, are reminded on a daily basis just how badly the Bush administration has failed: gas prices twice what folks are used to, and food prices through the roof. Whether the Iraq situation bears ultimately on the price of gas or not, average folks are reminded of a general malaise resulting from oil dependency, and a failure of policy in Iraq, on a very, very regular basis. It's hard to be righteously indignant and a nutted out nationalist religious freak when your Freak In Chief, George Bush, put you in this position

(2) Obama has made it very clear that he is going to take on the right-wing smear arguments. In his acceptance speech Tuesday, he directly addressed the fact that Republicans will try to use religion as a wedge, will try to create fear about the middle east, and will attempt to divide the country. He is not only willing but eager to take that point of view and shove it right back down their hypocritical throats, and it is going to be very entertaining to watch McCain twist in the wind as he becomes more desperate and thus prone to such (absolutely typical) traditional republican smear tactics, which Obama has already pre-emptively named, labelled, branded negatively, and discredited.

One of the (many) appealing things about Obama is that he knows his candidacy is bigger than he is, that it is about something much more than his own record or personal appeal, and for that reason he gets enormous political benefit and capital from staying true to principles. And is constantly rewarded by the electorate for those principles. Great example: now that he's the nominee, he has asked the Democratic National Committee to abide by the same fund-raising rules that he has implemented in his own campaign since the beginning: not a dime from lobbyists, and not a dime from political action committees. The DNC is now forbidden to raise money, even for its own projects and endeavors, through those means. Never in history (to my knowledge) has a candidate instituted such restrictions, and the beautiful thing is that even with said restrictions he has outraised any political candidate in history. Grassroots actually means something here in this case, and it's encouraging to see.
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I do enjoy your posts on this election - they're making me much more confident about its outcome.:):D
 
vimothy

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New Gallup GE poll -- McCain & Obama tied:

An Early Gallup Road Map to the McCain-Obama Matchup

As the general election campaign between Barack Obama and John McCain unofficially gets underway, many of the typical Democratic-Republican divides in the electorate -- such as those by religion, gender, marital status, and income -- already appear to be in place. Additionally, some of the special appeals each candidate had with voters in the nomination phase of the election (on the basis of age, education, race, and political affiliation) seem to be carrying over into the general election.

These findings are based on aggregated data from Gallup Poll Daily tracking in May, consisting of more than 25,000 total interviews with registered voters nationwide. Obama (supported by an average of 45.6% of national registered voters) and McCain (favored by 45.4%) were essentially tied in the full May dataset.​
 
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vimothy

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aMinadaB said:
1) right-wing nutcases, just like everyone else in the country, are reminded on a daily basis just how badly the Bush administration has failed: gas prices twice what folks are used to, and food prices through the roof. Whether the Iraq situation bears ultimately on the price of gas or not, average folks are reminded of a general malaise resulting from oil dependency, and a failure of policy in Iraq, on a very, very regular basis.
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Remeber though, energy dependency is neither the cause of nor solution to high oil prices.

EDIT: Should read, "Energy dependency is not the cause of, and energy independence is not the solution to, high oil prices."
 
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droid

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Whats to stop the GOP from simply cheating their way in like the last two times? The last two elections wouldnt have withstood the kind of international monitoring standards that are regularly applied to third world countries.
 
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