On Fairy tales
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nomadthethird
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Yeah, well it's like in Holy Mountain when they make the comics about the Peruvian Monster and have the kids throw tomatoes at pictures of Peruvians...
There were some pretty conclusive studies in the 90s where they asked children of all different races to rate the attractiveness of certain dolls, to say which doll looked "nicer", which one they'd rather have as a friend, etc., and black children invariably chose white dolls over all other "raced" dolls as representing "good", "nice", "well-behaved" just like white children did.
I do think there's a kind of basic (non-conspiratorial, but still real) element in children's stories, a very clear and deliberate one, where certain cultural ideals (such as what constitutes good looks--blonde and blue eyed, or in the case of Alladin, "exotic" almond shaped eyes and belly dancer tops, the Disney cartoon princesses are always very perky in the breasts) are laid out and become archetypal.
This is sort of the point of shows like Dora the Explorer in the U.S., which are trying to create a standard where Latinos are considered just as human/American as whites.
We still haven't really had the equivalent for black children. They had that Fat Albert cartoon, but that didn't last long.
There were some pretty conclusive studies in the 90s where they asked children of all different races to rate the attractiveness of certain dolls, to say which doll looked "nicer", which one they'd rather have as a friend, etc., and black children invariably chose white dolls over all other "raced" dolls as representing "good", "nice", "well-behaved" just like white children did.
I do think there's a kind of basic (non-conspiratorial, but still real) element in children's stories, a very clear and deliberate one, where certain cultural ideals (such as what constitutes good looks--blonde and blue eyed, or in the case of Alladin, "exotic" almond shaped eyes and belly dancer tops, the Disney cartoon princesses are always very perky in the breasts) are laid out and become archetypal.
This is sort of the point of shows like Dora the Explorer in the U.S., which are trying to create a standard where Latinos are considered just as human/American as whites.
We still haven't really had the equivalent for black children. They had that Fat Albert cartoon, but that didn't last long.
nomadthethird
more issues than Time mag
I'm not finding links about Disney's pron collection, but I've only found one claim that this is an "urban legend", and the person who makes the claim seems to confuse the assertion that Disney had a pron collection with the idea that Disney drew a lot of porny cartoons (which the claimant admits Disney apparently did draw, but not tons).
swears
preppy-kei
As much as I love Squirrel Nutkin, the basic premise is quite dodgy and Calvinistic: if you don't give the big boss what he wants (a series of increasingly elaborate gifts) and instead spend all your time just messing about and enjoying yourself (teasing the boss with silly riddles, playing skittles with pinecones, etc...) then you will be punished (your tail is ripped off and you'll never enjoy riddles again). I always identified with Nutkin though, much like Clockwork Orange's Alex identifies with Jesus' persecutors as he's reading the bible.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Hahaha, gayest. Squirrel. Ever.
nomadthethird
more issues than Time mag
Ha! I don't remember reading Squirrel Nutkin though I may have.
What was that series with the Toad? Maybe Frog and Toad?
nomadthethird
more issues than Time mag
No, I think you're right.
I'm really interested now, though, in knowing whether this is true. I'm positive I've seen it on television, but what does that mean really?
nomadthethird
more issues than Time mag
Here it is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frog_and_Toad
We read these in pre-school. They always seemed kind of melancholy and dreary to me...I didn't like them at the time but maybe I would now...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frog_and_Toad
We read these in pre-school. They always seemed kind of melancholy and dreary to me...I didn't like them at the time but maybe I would now...
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Several Disney films are meant to have, if not porn per se, at least intentional obscenities in them. Like a cloud of dust that supposedly says 'SEX' for a few seconds in The Lion King, and a suspiciously phallic spire on the coral castle in The Little Mermaid poster. There's probably a lot of room for interpretation, though.
Less so the infamous 'priapic C-3PO' Star Wars trading card:
Less so the infamous 'priapic C-3PO' Star Wars trading card:
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preppy-kei
He's a bon vivant and a dandy!
that stuff nomad said. (interesting the bits about power dynamics within the stories)
and the lion king was totaly racist. just as completely offensive and unacceptable as the dim witted south african slave in those new star wars movies.
and Disney went around and bought all the rights to all the fairy tales didn't they? so that the interpretations of these stories that have happened for mellennia ends here. but does anyone know more about this? do they only have the rights for making movies with them or even books and toys and stuff?
and the lion king was totaly racist. just as completely offensive and unacceptable as the dim witted south african slave in those new star wars movies.
and Disney went around and bought all the rights to all the fairy tales didn't they? so that the interpretations of these stories that have happened for mellennia ends here. but does anyone know more about this? do they only have the rights for making movies with them or even books and toys and stuff?
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http://www.snopes.com/disney/disney.asp
all you need to know about disney urban myths. A fascinating read in some spots
all you need to know about disney urban myths. A fascinating read in some spots
STN
sou'wester
I think (and hope) that this can't be true, I mean, who would you buy the rights from?
baboon2004
Darned cockwombles.
In answer to the original q, fairy tales should be bloody scary. Anyone mentioned Company of Wolves yet? I should like Angela Carter more, but somehow don't. Lots of twisted Czech tales that I haven't sought out yet.
