i dont belive in no evolution
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Empiricism bites its tongue, it is afraid. "I ask the questions!"
John Polkinghorne - Wikipedia
Eugene Wigner, influential physicist and winner of the Nobel Prize in Physics, once stated that, while many philosophical ideas “may be logically consistent with present quantum mechanics… materialism is not."
Rudolf Peierls, a Manhattan Project physicist, inventor of the atomic bomb, believed that something about the human minds transcends matter.
These 3 come to mind immediately
Tea, you take your science in polite, measured doses from New Scientist. Sadly, science is utterly corrupt and compromised these days. There's more truth in erowid trip reports.
william kent
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I like what Herzog said about man evolving due to fish fleeing the hell of the ocean.
"Life in the oceans must be sheer hell. A vast, merciless hell of permanent and immediate danger. So much of a hell that during evolution some species - including man - crawled, fled onto some small continents of solid land, where the Lessons of Darkness continue."
"Life in the oceans must be sheer hell. A vast, merciless hell of permanent and immediate danger. So much of a hell that during evolution some species - including man - crawled, fled onto some small continents of solid land, where the Lessons of Darkness continue."
william kent
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He's a knob, but an endearing one.
william kent
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He definitely leans into his own image too much now. The cameos make him into more of a joke than he needs to be. He reminds me of Zizek.
Mr. Tea
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Oh well that's most of them then, I concede your point. 😛John Polkinghorne - Wikipedia
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Eugene Wigner, influential physicist and winner of the Nobel Prize in Physics, once stated that, while many philosophical ideas “may be logically consistent with present quantum mechanics… materialism is not."
Rudolf Peierls, a Manhattan Project physicist, inventor of the atomic bomb, believed that something about the human minds transcends matter.
These 3 come to mind immediately
Mr. Tea
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I saw a mate post something on FB the other day about Herzog saying he and his wife have never exchanged a cross word in 50 years of marriage or something. I was like, fuck off you bullshitter.
Mr. Tea
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Ha! The ultimate put-down. I confess that I do buy it once or twice a year but it's not a regular habit (promise).
Presumably Wolfram's self-generating cellular Theory Of Everything is going to sweep away the rot, though?
Mr. Tea
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Oh, maybe he just gets divorced and gets himself a new wife every time it looks like things are about to kick off, that would explain it.
william kent
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What do your mate and his wife have to do with Herzog?
Mr. Tea
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Ba-dum tish!
Mr. Tea
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OK, I think this is worth pursuing. We might be talking at cross-purposes here and, with respect, there might be a bit of strawmanning going on, on your part. What do you understand by 'materialism'? If you mean particle whizzing around within a sterile, inert vacuum and bouncing off each other like little billiard balls according to deterministic laws, then sure, that is not a good model of reality. But then, nobody has actually thought this for a century.
There's a book I read as an undergraduate called 'The Matter Myth', which I think you might be interested in. The authors are a highly respected theoretical physicist and a science writer with a solid science background (astrophysics PhD), so the ideas presented are in no way "fringe physics". The gist of it, as I remember, is that it makes much more sense to consider information, rather than matter, to be the primary basis of physical reality. It has a chapter titled "From 'It' To 'Bit'" and ends with a great line about how the old dualist picture of matter/spirit or brain/mind, the 'ghost in the machine', is no longer valid "not because there is no ghost, but because there is no machine". Which fits in well with the work done by Hawking and others on the interface between thermodynamics (where information is of supreme importance), GR and QM, and with ideas based on the AdS-CFT correspondence and holographic cosmology.
The Matter Myth: Dramatic Discoveries that Challenge Our Understanding of Physical Reality : Davies, Paul: Amazon.co.uk: Books
The Matter Myth: Dramatic Discoveries that Challenge Our Understanding of Physical Reality : Davies, Paul: Amazon.co.uk: Books
www.amazon.co.uk
So yeah, 'materialism' as Newton and Maxwell, and probably Planck and even Einstein (who objected to quantum non-locality more than he did to the uncertainty principle), would have understood it is dead and buried and has been for ages.
However - this picture is still lightyears away from Fritjof Capra and "maybe QM explains telepathy/OBEs/past lives", which is what people often mean when they say "materialism is dead".