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Vimothy said:So any supporting the Allies in WWII couldn't be a leftist?
Vim, as usual, you have turned reason on its head once again. Support for the Allies in WWII=support for the Iraqi resistance today. Invading another country, especially one already crippled by over a decade of illegal sanctions and persistent bombing campaigns, is a war crime. The proper analogy is between today's US/UK invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan and Hitler's invasions of Poland, Czechoslovakia, France, etc (or Japan's invasion of China). There's nothing controversial about any of this; it only appears so because the war criminals and their supporters are still in power and, in your case, because you are a propagandist for these imperialist criminals' continuation [nay, further expansion] of their war crimes. This places YOU in a position much worse, much more disturbing than some young British girl giving vent to her legitimate anger and rage at witnessing the attrocities being committed by her thuggish, mass-murdering government. Besides, it is those paranoid racists who falsely arrested her who have ACTUALLY committed a - further - crime. And, as Gavin previously alluded to, the racist underpinning of the reporting of that incident only makes matters worse - 'a British-born Muslim' ie your birthplace is no longer any guarantee of your primary nationality, particularly when your skin-colour, religion, or political beliefs conflict with an increasingly reactionary Establishment (like all-white Indie and pop bands draping themselves in the tricolour).
You want to know who 'The Enemy' is, Vim?
Take a long hard look in the mirror some time.
What you need to demonstrate, Vim, is why you are so deluded in believing these third-rate war-mongering rightist propagandists (Cohen, Hitchens, etc) to be leftist. An impossible task.
I should clarify, my distinction has more to do with the initial invasion which liberals supported at the time.
Perhaps we've slightly different conceptions of 'liberal' (a Cohen?), but I distinctly recall most liberals opposing the invasion, Gavin. Most of the world opposed the invasion [in all countries surveyed prior to the invasion, a substantial majority opposed].
They've only backtracked because it's going badly (and all their criticism is about the "mishandling" of the war, not the principle of the invasion).
As with Vietnam. ['Oh, but we'll get it right next time! Failure is not an option'].
Self-righteous losers always blame those who warned them in advance ('projection'), who opposed their suicidally destructive actions [like the right in the US retrospectively blaming the failure in Vietnam, the quagmire, on the anti-war protesters! It's the kind of loopy mindset that had Rumsfeld demanding that the onus was exclusively on those who stated that there were no WMDs in Iraq to 'prove' so. Because, you know, those cartoon drawings of trucks with "WMD' emblazoned on their sides were all the evidence the neo-cons needed].