Leo
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these guys can be dicks sometimes but this gave me a few laughs, at least they speak their minds...
http://www.dopejams.net/010113.html
http://www.dopejams.net/010113.html
House / Techno 2012
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e/y
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Haha, that's pretty great (though I love that Drexciya compilation, and "...maybe we need to establish a full blown Morelli/L.I.E.S-esque boycott" seems odd to me). Their RA interview was quite good, too.
I'd love to visit the place if I'm ever in NYC, though I suspect that I'm precisely the sort of person they'd like to tell to fuck off.
I'd love to visit the place if I'm ever in NYC, though I suspect that I'm precisely the sort of person they'd like to tell to fuck off.
Leo
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Corpsey
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Would love to see more opinionated stuff like that being written by 'established' people in dance music/music in general. It's entertaining. Critics/magazines etc. are too hand-in-hand with producers/DJs to give fully honest critiques I think. I'm as guilty as anyone else, although reviewing rap music more or less makes me immune to reprisals (like Rick Ross sitting on me).
The problem with writing about UK music in a popular publication from my perspective would be that I know a lot of people working in it, I'm friends with some of them, I would be likely to bump into others... So you're always going to soften your stance a little unless you don't really give a fuck about social awkwardness.
A more 'nuanced' perspective seems often to be based upon sympathising with both sides of an argument i.e. on the one hand this music is immersive on the other this music is boring. Which is something I try to do really but I do think it sucks the life and passion out of writing sometimes. And maybe these dope jam guys are right about music lacking as much passion as it used to?
The problem with writing about UK music in a popular publication from my perspective would be that I know a lot of people working in it, I'm friends with some of them, I would be likely to bump into others... So you're always going to soften your stance a little unless you don't really give a fuck about social awkwardness.
A more 'nuanced' perspective seems often to be based upon sympathising with both sides of an argument i.e. on the one hand this music is immersive on the other this music is boring. Which is something I try to do really but I do think it sucks the life and passion out of writing sometimes. And maybe these dope jam guys are right about music lacking as much passion as it used to?
Corpsey
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Oh and btw, as much as producers and DJs hate forums when forums hate on them, in my experience forums are more reflective of what a lot of music heads (obsessives) really think about music than stuff getting published in print and online. Although even on forums you're getting a filtered version a lot of the time, since again due to all this intersection between artists and consumers online in particular there's a lot of finger-tongue-biting going on.
It's funny innit, slagging off UK bass I still come on hear with stuff like "It's a shame because I used to like it" and make an effort to make it clear that hating on the music isn't hating on the people who make it.
It's not just that the DJs and producers are around, but they're also like cool people. You can say ED SHEERAN IS SHIT and nobody is going to get hurt (apart from maybe you, by idiots) but if you boy off a UK bass label one of the guys can call you out on it.
Corpsey's right also to mention 'a popular publication', cause when it's just a guy on his blog you do have a bit more leeway, but if you're writing for something which gets a lot of views the power differential could very well be in /your/ favour and not the subject of your writing.
It's not just that the DJs and producers are around, but they're also like cool people. You can say ED SHEERAN IS SHIT and nobody is going to get hurt (apart from maybe you, by idiots) but if you boy off a UK bass label one of the guys can call you out on it.
Corpsey's right also to mention 'a popular publication', cause when it's just a guy on his blog you do have a bit more leeway, but if you're writing for something which gets a lot of views the power differential could very well be in /your/ favour and not the subject of your writing.
Corpsey
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Also when you're doing an article for something that will be read by many people and which confers a sort of authority on your opinion you (or I, at least) become conscious of not being quite as comfortable with putting your opinion out there as if you're just talking shit on a forum. I worry writing reviews for 'The Wire', say, that I'm not being fair to an artist if I take a shit on their music. Cos I think ''well, who am I? aren't there a lot of people who would enjoy this? haven't they put a lot of work into this?'' It makes it a lot easier if its someone like Wiz Kalifah, who just gets on my nerves as a person as much as a rapper.
my take on house/techno 2012 mix (only house tho!!): http://www32.zippyshare.com/v/73891109/file.html
01. Oliver Klein - Hey Baby (Chris Lattner Remix)
02. Thomas Sonora - Ever Lovin (Elef Remix)
03. Urulu - Reason With Me
04. Nikola Gala - Inner Sector
05. Johnwaynes - Holy Sin (Manolo Remix)
06. Detroit Swindle - Guess What (Original Mix)
07. Detroit Swindle - Guess What (Leftside Wobble Remix)
08. Ivan The Terrible - My Love (Original Mix)
09. Joe Drive - Tefnut (Tyrell ReWork)
10. Matteo Barile - Ocean Way
11. Jayson Brothers - North & Pulaski
12. DJ Le Roi - Shot out
13. John Julius Knight - Something (Original Mix)
14. Mirco Berti - The End (Original)
15. Enrique Gongora, Celice Monnette - Try (Original Mix)
16. Joe Drive - Spazio 93
17. Jazzanova, Paul Randolph - I Human (Red Rack'em Remix)
01. Oliver Klein - Hey Baby (Chris Lattner Remix)
02. Thomas Sonora - Ever Lovin (Elef Remix)
03. Urulu - Reason With Me
04. Nikola Gala - Inner Sector
05. Johnwaynes - Holy Sin (Manolo Remix)
06. Detroit Swindle - Guess What (Original Mix)
07. Detroit Swindle - Guess What (Leftside Wobble Remix)
08. Ivan The Terrible - My Love (Original Mix)
09. Joe Drive - Tefnut (Tyrell ReWork)
10. Matteo Barile - Ocean Way
11. Jayson Brothers - North & Pulaski
12. DJ Le Roi - Shot out
13. John Julius Knight - Something (Original Mix)
14. Mirco Berti - The End (Original)
15. Enrique Gongora, Celice Monnette - Try (Original Mix)
16. Joe Drive - Spazio 93
17. Jazzanova, Paul Randolph - I Human (Red Rack'em Remix)
maybe the next big break in music is critics going back honest and strong opinions, and therefore things getting polarized. strong opinions - let's say a critic praises something and compares it how it's everything else than the other horrible trend - would then encourage artists/bands/producers to take this strong and passionate stance where music would really sound something. i think alot of music makers lacks at making proper statements/manifestos in their music, how things should sound. and this is due to '00s positivism/it's-all-good attitude where there is no good or bad sounding music...
IMO it's not just about being entertaining. i think critics can really encourage certain kind of music to be made. and in this case it means boosting music makers already existig views/statements/manifestos, which would result music to be more passionate, and as i mentioned above, to really sound something. and propably even the negative critique would only make stubborn creatives reacting "i'll show them!", to justify harder that their statement works. sounds bit militant, but how else you avoid '00s it's-all-good everything-sounds-nothing?
Leo
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and...they are closing!
http://www.dopejams.net/10713.html
sadly, a typical nyc story: 3x rent increase.
somewhere, jus-ed is laughing...
http://www.dopejams.net/10713.html
sadly, a typical nyc story: 3x rent increase.
somewhere, jus-ed is laughing...
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paolo and jimi really enjoyed both of yours - and gremino yours is on the download. finally got round to recording my own too,will upload later on.
goes without saying the mixing is sketchy at best in parts, but the music is what matters right? or that's my excuse and i'm sticking by it.
goes without saying the mixing is sketchy at best in parts, but the music is what matters right? or that's my excuse and i'm sticking by it.
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Tracklist:
MADTEO // Dead Drop (When I Saw You That Nite) // SAHKO RECORDINGS
DEEP SPACE ORCHESTRA // Jack Wants His Truck Back // JACK & WANG
GENIUS OF TIME // Tuffa Trummor Med Synt // ANIARA RECORDINGS
JAMES WELSH // Mother Water (Medlar Mix) // TSUBA
BLACK JAZZ CONSORTIUM // Your Love feat. Lady Blacktronica (Jus-Ed Remix) // SOUL PEOPLE MUSIC
DELROY EDWARDS // Bells // L.I.E.S
OMAR S // S.E.X (C.G.P (Conant Gardens Posse) Remix) // FXHE RECORDS
BOOKWORMS // African Rhythms // L.I.E.S
GREYMATTER // Give It To Me Slow (San Soda Remix) // WOLF MUSIC
BARKER & BAUMECKER // SchlangBang // OSTGUT TON
LEVON VINCENT // Speck's Jam // NOVEL SOUNDS
BAS NOIR // I'm Glad You Came To Me (Dub Mix) // RUSH HOUR
TRUS'ME // Somebody // PRIME NUMBERS
NINA KRAVIZ // Ghetto Kraviz // REKIDS
LEE GAMBLE // ExpRand Trace // PAN
SOUTH LONDON ORDNANCE // Revolver
DENSE & PIKA // Crispy Duck // HOTFLUSH
LUCY // Finnegan // CURLE RECORDINGS
HELIX // ????
Link:
MADTEO // Dead Drop (When I Saw You That Nite) // SAHKO RECORDINGS
DEEP SPACE ORCHESTRA // Jack Wants His Truck Back // JACK & WANG
GENIUS OF TIME // Tuffa Trummor Med Synt // ANIARA RECORDINGS
JAMES WELSH // Mother Water (Medlar Mix) // TSUBA
BLACK JAZZ CONSORTIUM // Your Love feat. Lady Blacktronica (Jus-Ed Remix) // SOUL PEOPLE MUSIC
DELROY EDWARDS // Bells // L.I.E.S
OMAR S // S.E.X (C.G.P (Conant Gardens Posse) Remix) // FXHE RECORDS
BOOKWORMS // African Rhythms // L.I.E.S
GREYMATTER // Give It To Me Slow (San Soda Remix) // WOLF MUSIC
BARKER & BAUMECKER // SchlangBang // OSTGUT TON
LEVON VINCENT // Speck's Jam // NOVEL SOUNDS
BAS NOIR // I'm Glad You Came To Me (Dub Mix) // RUSH HOUR
TRUS'ME // Somebody // PRIME NUMBERS
NINA KRAVIZ // Ghetto Kraviz // REKIDS
LEE GAMBLE // ExpRand Trace // PAN
SOUTH LONDON ORDNANCE // Revolver
DENSE & PIKA // Crispy Duck // HOTFLUSH
LUCY // Finnegan // CURLE RECORDINGS
HELIX // ????
Link:
whytea
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Great mix, the Urulu tune is a gem I hadn't heard before that guy is killing it at the moment
UFO over easy
online mahjong
dope jams was ok. i had a good time looking round it a while ago. lots of overpriced bootlegs but some good stuff too
but the constant setting up of themselves as these martyrs who suffer for their principles and just "tell it like it is" is a bit tiring. like an angry teenage diary
that's pretty much the only way most writers seem able to engage with music already though. "this is good because this other thing sucks". id rather read people try and engage with music for what it is as opposed to what they think it should be based on whatever arbitrary set of principles they've set up for themselves. the internet's shown up that kind of self-aggrandising dogmatism for what it is.
in any case, i actually think there are far more interesting writers in prominent places than there have been in the past 5-6 years
but the constant setting up of themselves as these martyrs who suffer for their principles and just "tell it like it is" is a bit tiring. like an angry teenage diary
gremino said:
that's pretty much the only way most writers seem able to engage with music already though. "this is good because this other thing sucks". id rather read people try and engage with music for what it is as opposed to what they think it should be based on whatever arbitrary set of principles they've set up for themselves. the internet's shown up that kind of self-aggrandising dogmatism for what it is.
in any case, i actually think there are far more interesting writers in prominent places than there have been in the past 5-6 years
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