Wuhan Killer Sneeze (thanks Tea)

[constant escape]

Can anyone attest to the validity of this? Not sure how new it is, but my mother just emailed it to me. I'm packing up and getting out of town tomorrow, and hoping that my college makes the shift to online classes soon.

Good Intelligence RE: COVID-19 Protection
This is excellent advice for your staff and family.

Stanford hospital board internal message:
The new Coronavirus may not show sign of infection for many days. How can one know if he/she is infected? By the time they have fever and/or cough and go to the hospital, the lung is usually 50% Fibrosis and it's too late.

Taiwan experts provide a simple self-check that we can do every morning. Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds. If you complete it successfully without coughing, without discomfort, stiffness or tightness, etc., it proves there is no Fibrosis in the lungs, basically indicates no infection. In critical time, please self-check every morning in an environment with clean air.

Serious excellent advice by Japanese doctors treating COVID-19 cases: Everyone should ensure your mouth & throat are moist, never dry. Take a few sips of water every 15 minutes at least. Why? Even if the virus gets into your mouth, drinking water or other liquids will wash them down through your throat and into the stomach. Once there, your stomach acid will kill all the virus. If you don't drink enough water more regularly, the virus can enter your windpipe and into the lungs. That's very dangerous. Please send and share this with family and friends.

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT - CORONAVIRUS

1. If you have a runny nose and sputum, you have a common cold
2. Coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough with no runny nose.
3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature of just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun.
4. If someone sneezes with it, it takes about 10 feet before it drops to the ground and is no longer airborne.
5. If it drops on a metal surface it will live for at least 12 hours - so if you come into contact with any metal surface - wash your hands as soon as you can with a bacterial soap.
6. On fabric it can survive for 6-12 hours. normal laundry detergent will kill it.
7. Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink liquids with ice.
8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can only live on your hands for 5-10 minutes, but - a lot can happen during that time - you can rub your eyes, pick your nose unwittingly and so on.
9. You should also gargle as a prevention. A simple solution of salt in warm water will suffice.
10. Can't emphasis enough - drink plenty of water!

THE SYMPTOMS 1. It will first infect the throat, so you'll have a sore throat lasting 3/4 days 2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the trachea and then the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 days further. 3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and difficulty in breathing. 4. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You feel like you're drowning. It's imperative you then seek immediate attention.

 

[HMGovt’s Glorious Return!]

Can anyone attest to the validity of this? Not sure how new it is, but my mother just emailed it to me. I'm packing up and getting out of town tomorrow, and hoping that my college makes the shift to online classes soon.

Seems to check out and gathers a lot of what I've been hearing plus useful detail I hadn't

 

[comelately]

Big news... Tom Hanks (and wife) have the virus.
Also US has banned travel from EU, which, thanks to Brexit doesn't include the UK - hurrah. Seems a strange choice though as UK has high level of infection and seemingly the worst planning.

To be pedantic, it's the Schengen Area. I don't know if there are direct flights from Bulgaria to the USA, but there might be soon! I don't think the US has ready access to people's movement within the EU, so there are holes here. But I don't think the point is not to have any holes.

Whilst the decision is clearly very political, if you're looking to slow down transmission then this is one way to potentially have less COVID-19 in the USA right now.

 

[droid]

No. Its waaaayyy too late. The ban should be going the other way, but luckily this is make it much easier politically to isolate the entire US when things spiral out of control there.

 

[Slothrop]

One of the things that's doing my head in a bit is the continual expectation whiplash between the realistic "this isn't the end of the world but it's going to be pretty bad and we need to take it seriously" mindset and people (eg businesses, event organizers) who are just ploughing on organizing stuff and acting like nothing's happening. Eg people still talking up gigs that are happening early next month or whatever.

 

[comelately]

I tend to think shit got real in the last 24hours for most people.

But I think the idea that this issue largely goes away in 30 days......yeah, not convinced. So it's almost too much to comprehend, so some people choose not to really try.

I don't think this is that like anything else, and I can understand people filtering in radically different ways.

 

[HMGovt’s Glorious Return!]

I tend to think shit got real in the last 24hours for most people.

But I think the idea that this issue largely goes away in 30 days......yeah, not convinced. So it's almost too much to comprehend, so some people choose not to really try.

I don't think this is that like anything else, and I can understand people filtering in radically different ways.

It's the second and third order effects that are worrying. So you get a moderate case and need some medical assistance. Normally that would be fine, maybe a course of antibiotics, bit of observation, go home.

But if the hospitals are beyond full and medics are going down with it so you can't get your antibiotics, then you can't get your oxygen...

Time to lock down everywhere and let this pass, burn itself out in a controlled way, let the sun do its work and have a vaccine ready for next Winter.

 

[comelately]

The sun you say?

Britain's in trouble.

But in all seriousness, sun only reduces the virus' survival time as I understand it. That's by no means definitely going to be enough.

Higher Vitamin D levels may also have an effect admittedly, but assuming the Sun is a panacea here is probably unwise.

 

[john eden]

One of the things that's doing my head in a bit is the continual expectation whiplash between the realistic "this isn't the end of the world but it's going to be pretty bad and we need to take it seriously" mindset and people (eg businesses, event organizers) who are just ploughing on organizing stuff and acting like nothing's happening. Eg people still talking up gigs that are happening early next month or whatever.

More of a lockdown on stuff is being mooted at the Cobra meeting today apparently. We'll see what happens after that.

 

[pattycakes_]

@comelately: Aren't there southern hemisphere countries, currently in their summer, with outbreaks though?

 

[comelately]

Absolutely. I think the hypothesis that we can rely on the sun is a suspect proposition.

 

[craner]

Hanks got it in Australia, which was burning down a few weeks ago.

 

[HMGovt’s Glorious Return!]

@comelately: Aren't there southern hemisphere countries, currently in their summer, with outbreaks though?

It's barely registered in Singapore, far fewer cases in the southern hemisphere generally.

During the 1918 flu pandemic, worst-affected cities were in the north of the USA, least-affected in the sunnier South

"In the flu pandemic of 1918-19, case fatality rates were lowest in San Antonio, Texas, which had the highest UVB radiation of any city.

Fatality rates were highest in New London, CT, which had the lowest UVB radiation.

4-fold difference in rates."

 

[comelately]

Perhaps, I think you are confusing two distinct scenarios:

1) Hot place which is always hot so virus struggles to get a foothold.

2) Place which isn't hot but becomes hotter after virus has already got a foothold.

And let's face it; hotter is relative. Britain has its moments but hoping that a nice weekend in late May is going to be our saviour is pretty lol.

 

[comelately]

Worth saying that cases relies on people actually being tested, so comparing case numbers could be apples and bowling balls.

But assuming the sun thing has some merit, countries with guaranteed hot weather maybe can take a different strategy than one's without such guarantees. The UK has a relatively dense population and a mild Summer. The Netherlands, Belgium, Northern France, the big cities of the Nordic countries and perhaps NW Germany are all in a similar position.

 

[HMGovt’s Glorious Return!]

Perhaps, I think you are confusing two distinct scenarios:

1) Hot place which is always hot so virus struggles to get a foothold.

2) Place which isn't hot but becomes hotter after virus has already got a foothold.

And let's face it; hotter is relative. Britain has its moments but hoping that a nice weekend in late May is going to be our saviour is pretty lol.

No, i have in mind a third scenario: although sunlight does slow the spread of many viruses because they're not resistant to UVB and higher temperatures, the same UVB promotes production of Vitamin D which increases resistance to pneumonia, hence the reduced mortality among the infected in lower latitudes.

 

[Leo]

wuhan reports started in early January, meaning it was there in December. cases are just decreasing now. just a guess, but that could mean it's at least three months from early cases to "control". that would put the US at may/June.

 

[comelately]

No, i have in mind a third scenario: although sunlight does slow the spread of many viruses because they're not resistant to UVB and higher temperatures, the same UVB promotes production of Vitamin D which increases resistance to pneumonia, hence the reduced mortality among the infected in lower latitudes.

Seems like we should just vitamin d supplement then...

 

[HMGovt’s Glorious Return!]

Seems like we should just vitamin d supplement then...

Definitely. I have been for years now.
Google "Vitamin D hammer"

"A colleague of mine and I have introduced vitamin D at doses that have achieved greater than 100 nmol/L in most of our patients for the past number of years, and we now see very few patients in our clinics with the flu or influenzalike illness. In those patients who do have influenza, we have treated them with the vitamin D hammer, as coined by my colleague. This is a 1-time 50 000 IU dose of vitamin D3 or 10 000 IU 3 times daily for 2 to 3 days. The results are dramatic, with complete resolution of symptoms in 48 to 72 hours. One-time doses of vitamin D at this level have been used safely and have never been shown to be toxic.8 We urgently need a study of this intervention. The cost of vitamin D is about a penny for 1000 IU, so this treatment costs less than a dollar."​

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4463890/

 

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