Surely they have some relation, but they're not the thing they're related to. I just don't see what's at stake in saying they are.
Because its a communal music.
Surely they have some relation, but they're not the thing they're related to. I just don't see what's at stake in saying they are.
Because its a communal music.
Smiles aren't the same thing as fun either. I've seen footage of the happy hardcore raves where a lot of them stare into the camera like they've just seen a dead body. I'm sure they had a blast
Platitudes!
let me put it another way: do you think jungle is able to progress or innovate?
In 2024 that seems rather off the table for any genre. As far as jungle, I just want it to bang and have a sense of humor or individual style
In 2024 that seems rather off the table for any genre. As far as jungle, I just want it to bang and have a sense of humor or individual style
There is no absolute cutoff. It can vary from tune to tune, too. I'm not sure how to measure innovation, it takes time and reaction and interaction for things to shift in a bigger way like I was saying. There's got to be something in the wake of a Terminator or Pulp Ficiton for them to mean anything because its not auteurist, like you were saying. So if there's no scene, there's no innovation. And there will never be a scene in the way there was pre-internet, so innovation becomes a very slippery fetish term. Obviously if this were some kind of thermal graph there was a massive energy drop off around 1995-6.
Fun and cheese are nonidentical. There's cheeky, rude, exciting, dangerous, surprising, sassy, preposterous and sexy fun, too.
There's another sense in which jungle is the sort of music which appears when all formal experimentation reaches a critical point of inertia. Its a vessel we can fill with all manners of content. It doesn't have to be faffing around with vintage pads and the same stock stuff. But it'd be interesting to hear that stuff mixed in more with the quotidian and contemporary. Jungle is a kind of medial magnet for sonic cultural fragments (including the breaks themselves), its the closest thing to a pleasurable aesthetic experience detournement could ever get. Those two tracks I quoted along with the Om Unit and Binga (which I'll refer to specifically since you're posting stuff all over the map and erroneously pretending are classificatory quagmires) have none of this verve. They are after something else, and it is not my business to judge whether their other chosen cause is noble or not, but simply that it is other.
Again this is considered jungle, but to me, it sounds closer to modern jump up.
There's another sense in which jungle is the sort of music which appears when all formal experimentation reaches a critical point of inertia.
ok but even then the revival jungle is other?