DUBSTEP- breaking news, gossip, slander, lies etc

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mms

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stelfox said:
i just found it extraordinarily misguided. if you don't know that dubstep came out of 2step, that people like steve gurley are incredibly important to it and that it came out of something that was essentially "happy", then you shouldn't be putting smarm-quotes around "experts". anyway, it's only a record shop blurb, but i think it does say something. if there was a bit more happiness in this music i might be interested again.
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i'd like to know where he does think its from.
it really does seem that people are ashamed of garage/2 step etc now. i agree on happiness, also some attempts by producers at anything else but a boom bap rhythm. There are people doing that i know but not on the whole.
 
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Tactics

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was dubstep ever 'street'?

not really to me

anyway as I've always said about dubstep...where are the melodies? only some beatmakers get it right in the scene for me but not enough for me to really wanna listen to the music
 
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stelfox

Beast of Burden
Tactics said:
was dubstep ever 'street'?

not really to me

anyway as I've always said about dubstep...where are the melodies? only some beatmakers get it right in the scene for me but not enough for me to really wanna listen to the music
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no it wasn't strictly, but it definitely had its roots in something that was. easy and obvious enough to grasp, i think, no matter where in the world you are.
 
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stelfox said:
no it wasn't strictly, but it definitely had its roots in something that was. easy and obvious enough to grasp, i think, no matter where in the world you are.
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I can deal with that

but what's gonna stop the inevitable slide to coffee table 'mainstream' (not in terms of sales though) life that this genre seems to be heading towards?

I say get rid of the album format and keep it dancefloor for you guys

I know ppl have gotta eat but that's where EP's say in I-Tunes AND (most importantly) on vinyl and constant live DJ slots come in

after that I think ppl have gotta figure something out

as much as 92% of dubstep annoys me...it would be a shame for the music to end up there

I really do think it could be one of the new music to pioneer SOMETHING (I don't know what it is yet) in terms of listener/maker...errr...interfacing lol (yes I know its not a word)

perhaps live sets put onto CD's and sold as soon as the raves over...no...oh yeah Fabric do that already lol

okay I've ranted enough...where's my pills?
 
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Blackdown

nexKeysound
stelfox said:
no it wasn't strictly, but it definitely had its roots in something that was. easy and obvious enough to grasp, i think, no matter where in the world you are.
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having evolved from garage just like grime, dubstep has a related if different demographic to grime. people can play the street/not street aka the "blacker than thou" card but one look at the "dubstep warz" photo shows it's a multicultural scene and the parties still reflect that.

thing is, the most "street" record right now is Fish Go Deep, a record made by two white irish deep house producers, and dubstep's never been so accepted by grime, with wiley, jme and skepta regularly namechecking it, and Logan playing an uncomissioned Purple vocal version of a Coki tune. not sure where that leaves us but i cant help but feel that up is down and down is up in urban/street music right now...
 
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i've never said dubstep is more street than grime, that would be ridiculous.

and dave, which bit of early dubstep was 'happy'? the feminine pressure element, i'm with you, but happy dubstep? that's straight up 2step garage surely?
 
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Don Rosco

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mms said:
skulldisco is pretty much up there next to dmz and hyperdub now. everyone else isn't really touching.
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Agreed. On a Skull Disco note, and this is a little embarrassing, I got a new phone last week. In my frenzy of theming and installing, I made a Skull Disco theme from the pics up on flickr. It's up here. It's not perfect , but those pictures are so slick, it's still pretty sweet. Works on all N Series Nokia phones, and one or two others.

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dubble-u-c

Dorkus Maximus
stelfox said:
anyway, i think the person who wrote this utterly spasticated review at turntable lab is is a pretty good example of the sort of audience i'm talking about...
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Thing is - It's the turntable lab - which is basically a hip hop store for record nerds. they just discovered dubstep 6 months ago. You can't really expect american hip hop geeks to know the origins of dubstep. Not to mention they always try to look like they are in the know cuz they are basically nerds trying to sell records to other nerds.

Anyway to generalize and say the dubstep audience is like this in the states or elsewhere is not fair or accurate- imo.

The dances here in the states are multicultural/multiracial and they cut across lines of class, status and musical background.
 
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stelfox

Beast of Burden
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i've never said dubstep is more street than grime, that would be ridiculous.

and dave, which bit of early dubstep was 'happy'? the feminine pressure element, i'm with you, but happy dubstep? that's straight up 2step garage surely?
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groove chronicles, specifically.
they make me ridiculously happy to this day.
it's not sad music, it's not dark.
sure, it's emotive and deep, but it's not really moody.
as a result it's some of the sexiest music ever made.
i genuinely find something pretty uplifting in it.
that sort of sexiness was right there in a lot of people's work at the time and that's one thing that's really missing from yr digital mystikz, shackletons and co.
 
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Blackdown

nexKeysound
you wont get me doing anything but praising GC! so do you think the 'sexy' part, it's a percussive issue or a sample source issue?
 
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bun-u

Trumpet Police
I kinda remember the same issue cropping up on the ukdance forum back in 98/99 - specifically when Groove Chronicles released 'black puppet'. The argument went that this new 'dark' direction could kill off 2-step's feminine pressure and would lead it to follow drum and bass down the same techno cul-de-sac. Incidently, I don't remember GC making another record like 'black puppet' (which surely is THE prototype dubstep record), all their other stuff had equal measures of slinky soul and moody darkness.
 
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nexKeysound
bun-u said:
I kinda remember the same issue cropping up on the ukdance forum back in 98/99 - specifically when Groove Chronicles released 'black puppet'. The argument went that this new 'dark' direction could kill off 2-step's feminine pressure and would lead it to follow drum and bass down the same techno cul-de-sac. Incidently, I don't remember GC making another record like 'black puppet'...
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Masterplan and Black Puppet are both pretty dark
 
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elgato

I just dont know
bun-u said:
Incidently, I don't remember GC making another record like 'black puppet' (which surely is THE prototype dubstep record), all their other stuff had equal measures of slinky soul and moody darkness.
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but the Ghost stuff was increasingly dark. i know its slightly sacreligious, but i dont actually know how much i rate the Ghost Trax stuff. to start with i loved it, but over time i find it gets a bit boring. i definately know i prefer the GC material, and some of El-B's remixes, and a lot of earlier 2step. they have that same outrageous percussion, and the depth, but with added emotion and colour. the contrast is what makes it such powerful music, but a lot of the Ghost Trax stuff just became quite bland

but i think that to dismiss dubstep as devoid of the soul and colour we're speaking of, the uplifting quality, is a mistake. there are many people in the scene whose music i find extremely uplifting (albeit in strange ways)... mala, burial, cyrus, pinch (when he shoots for it), skream, d1, hijak... and thats just from the central players (add to that the likes of geiom, bass clef, peverelist)
 
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elgato

I just dont know
im also very very interested to see what horsepower/benny ill have/has been doing since their 'return' (presuming theyre not just llowing it)
 
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