An Emergent Order

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thirdform

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the religious in the guise of anselm of canterbury, Duns Scotus, Spinoza and so. all laid the foundational steps for atheism, even if they were not aware of it, even if they could not be aware of it.
 
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thirdform said:
no because all living phenomena is multilaterally interconnected. Like I said, the dark underbelly of religion is atheism.
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if interconnectedness justifies using hegel’s theology to explain materialism, doesn’t your ‘matter-in-motion’ dissolve into the very idealism you dislike?
 
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i mean, it's circular and endlessley self-referential loop. which is ok, because nothing can escape that. the problem is more the claim that something, some form of knowledge can
 
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Mr. Tea said:
You remember that Borges story about the guy who sets out to rewrite Don Quixote word for word?

I feel like this thread is like that, but for a conversation that nomadologist, vimothy and josef k had in 2008.
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Who's who?
 
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germaphobian said:
if interconnectedness justifies using hegel’s theology to explain materialism, doesn’t your ‘matter-in-motion’ dissolve into the very idealism you dislike?
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hmmm... I don't think so. That would have to postulate that contradictions are symmetrical. But it is the failure to be self-identical which pushes the contradictions and forces their resolve into syntheses, into new (unequal) contradictions. surely an order of symmetrical contradictions, where one can dissolve into the other and vice versa would ipso facto negate any kind of evolution? because you would just have the elliptical eternal present of the harmonious contradictions, in which case you wouldn't have contradictions at all, but an absolute limit of knowledge, a closed system, an idea of somehow complete, static knowledge.

The disharmony or the discord, the dichotomy arises from the limitations from the thing in itself, or as Engels would ground it: things-for-us.
 
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Mr. Tea said:
I don't feel I can answer that without inviting several people to issue a fatwa against me.
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oh, come on.

I'll ask nomad out on a date if you think I resemble her, just to infuriate craner. Although, I should warn you in advance, hothoused new york Jewish girls are just not my type. Prefer the hungarian ones.
 
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germaphobian said:
i mean, it's circular and endlessley self-referential loop. which is ok, because nothing can escape that. the problem is more the claim that something, some form of knowledge can
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isn't this just an abdication of society having conscious representation of itself?

That's a very Thatcherite position, albeit not in the way she thought. Very close to Land, actually.
 
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I don't even want to talk about the anal thread where she confessed how sequestered she is. i still get nightmares from reading that. even me in my sheltered kurdish life probably stuck a water syringe or a 50 p coin up there as a child. who tf knows.
 
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