An Emergent Order

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thirdform said:
Personally I don't want to kill anyone, not even most bourgeois, who at worst are just art wankers. But that's not how wars are fought, come on this is actually turning into teenage angst.
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Surely you're coming off more teenage angst than I am, going on about revolutions and fighting wars on a music forum?
 
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version said:
I've never felt comfortable with the prospect of having to decide someone's fate like that. I've no desire to be Cromwell or Robespierre.
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The horrors of a revolution are never singular; they are the ever-recurring symptoms and signs of the natural phenomenon they accompany always. This one can see by observing that they occur regularly in all revolutions, some of them in all social crises. There are killings and terrors, loot and destruction, in a war or a strike. The side or the leaders blamed for them do not always wish for and command them. They also deplore them. When I asked Lenin officially about the terror, he whirled on me fiercely.
"Who wants to ask us about our killings?" he demanded.
"Paris," I said, meaning, as he well understood, the Peace Conference.
"Do you mean to tell me that those men who have just generaled the slaughter of seventeen millions of men in a purposeless war are concerned over the few thousands that have been killed in a revolution which has a conscious aim to get out of the necessity of war and – and armed peace?"
He stood a moment facing me with his blazing eyes, then quieting down, he said:
"But never mind, do not deny the terror. Don't minimize any of the evils of a revolution. They occur. They must be counted upon. If we have to have a revolution, we have to pay the price of it."
That is the point. The evils of revolution happen in a revolution. They have to be studied, therefore; not merely shied at, but examined and then, perhaps, when they are understood scientifically, they can be avoided or used.
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Different critics of the Bolsheviks - Karl Kautsky

24 March 1918, Mitteilungsblatt (der Berliner SPD). Translation (in part) of Verschiedene Kritiker der Bolschewiki. Reproduced for reference.
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Benny Bunter said:
Yeah as long as you unflinchingly embrace it, it's worth it in the end.
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you're acting as if Britain (and especially Spain) came out shining from the pristine anus of the virgin mary. Do you think your freedoms just came out of thin air?

You know, I've always had issues with my father who has political views the diametric opposite of me, but he is mature enough not to throw his toys out of the pram when he's faced with our ultimately primitive and animalistic nature. I pity your son, will probably be raised with numerous existential crises. try and keep him away from smack, if you can.
 
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