Joni Mitchell worship thread

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@Corpsey

Cohen clips are a rich source of 'YouTube Comments'.

@cristop5
5 months ago
When a woman is lying on a bed with you sharing your personal space asking about seduction...it's time for a demonstration

@phlooney
1 year ago
You don’t have to have Odin’s one all-seeing eye to know that those two boned.

@thelovingheepful
3 years ago
if ronald Reagan was cool

 

[Corpsey]

kid charlamagne's face is straight out of a homoerotic caravaggio

 

[sus]

I like the analysis of the title. Hadn't thought about blues genre.

And it's good approaching her voice as if she's playing it like an instrument, I think that's right

I always like on Corey and California, the red haired devil of a man

 

[kid charlemagne]

doing this again

 

[thirdform]

doing this again

 

[sus]

I liked your comments about the cover and the camo

 

[sus]

I always liked Barandgrill but I hadn't made the Ladies of the Canyon connection, will have to relisten

 

[sus]

Some of the instrumental pages feel like a presage of her atmospheric 70s work, eg Reckless Daughter

 

[sus]

Roses are one of Western poetry 's great symbols. I think Corpsey made a thread about them once

 

[sus]

The disrespect for Electricity, Mitchell's finest ever lyrics, is unbelievable.

 

[sus]

I don't think it's a metaphor for a romantic relationship fwiw. I think it's a social critique of cybernetic society

 

[woops]

Roses are one of Western poetry 's great symbols. I think Corpsey made a thread about them once

some years ago while looking for an image for the back cover of a pamphlet, ignore reality, i learned of an overlooked Egyptian god also taken up by the greeks: harpocrates. his domain is silence and secrecy. he is usually portrayed with a finger to his lips and he is associated with the rose. it seems meeting-rooms are often decorated with roses, denoting that what is said there is confidential.

 

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Borges has a short story about a poet and a yellow rose.

Neither that afternoon nor the next did the illustrious Giambattista Marino die, he whom the unanimous mouths of Fame — to use an image dear to him — proclaimed as the new Homer and the new Dante. But still, the noiseless fact that took place then was in reality the last event of his life. Laden with years and with glory, he lay dying in a huge Spanish bed with carved bedposts. It is not hard to imagine a serene balcony a few steps away, facing the west, and, below, marble and laurels and a garden whose various levels are duplicated in a rectangle of water. A woman has placed in a goblet a yellow rose. The man murmurs the inevitable lines that now, to tell the truth, bore even him a little:​

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Purple of the garden, pomp of the meadow,​

Gem of the spring, April’s eye . . .​

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Then the revelation occurred: Marino saw the rose as Adam might have seen it in Paradise, and he thought that the rose was to be found in its own eternity and not in his words; and that we may mention or allude to a thing, but not express it; and that the tall, proud volumes casting a golden shadow in a corner were not — as his vanity had dreamed — a mirror of the world, but rather one thing more added to the world.​

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Marino achieved this illumination on the eve of his death, and Homer and Dante may have achieved it as well.​

 

[luka]

I heard you are on Hampstead. I hope you can get married.

 

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I heard you are on Hampstead. I hope you csn get married.

Cheers.

 

[sus]

Sub rosa (Neo-Latin for "under the rose") is a Latin phrase which denotes secrecy or confidentiality. The rose has an ancient history as a symbol of secrecy.

In Hellenistic and later Roman mythology, roses were associated with secrecy because Cupid gave a rose to Harpocrates (the Hellenistic god of silence) so that he would not reveal the secrets of Venus.[1] Banquet rooms were decorated with rose carvings, reportedly as a reminder that discussions in the rooms should be kept in confidence.[1]

This was inherited in later Christian symbolism, where roses were carved on confessionals to signify that the conversations would remain secret.[1]

The phrase entered the German language (unter der Rose) and, later, the English language, both as a Latin loan phrase (at least as early as 1654) and in its English translation.[1]

 

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Sub rosa (Neo-Latin for "under the rose") is a Latin phrase which denotes secrecy or confidentiality. The rose has an ancient history as a symbol of secrecy.

In Hellenistic and later Roman mythology, roses were associated with secrecy because Cupid gave a rose to Harpocrates (the Hellenistic god of silence) so that he would not reveal the secrets of Venus.[1] Banquet rooms were decorated with rose carvings, reportedly as a reminder that discussions in the rooms should be kept in confidence.[1]

This was inherited in later Christian symbolism, where roses were carved on confessionals to signify that the conversations would remain secret.[1]

The phrase entered the German language (unter der Rose) and, later, the English language, both as a Latin loan phrase (at least as early as 1654) and in its English translation.[1]

'Under the Rose' is the title of one of Pynchon's short stories in Slow Learner, the one which became the third chapter of V.

 

[sus]

The rose now has none of its old symbolic power, does it? Its associated with romance in a rather tacky way. Surrounded by the distractions of the city and if not the city the internet, does anybody really look at a rose anymore? Or perhaps it's that the Christian belief system has collapsed, so a rose is no longer an image of intelligent design, it's just something that happened to happen.

O Rose thou art sick.
The invisible worm,
That flies in the night
In the howling storm:

Has found out thy bed
Of crimson joy:
And his dark secret love
Does thy life destroy.

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What do we make of this, then?

Fingers on buzzers please

So the rose is symbolic of innocence and purity - of the virgin mary

This is the innocence upon which the invisible worm, air-borne plague, descends

With its dark, repressive, insidious, cloaked love

Perhaps the repression of experience itself - or as a frightened response to experience

I went to the Garden of Love,
And saw what I never had seen:
A Chapel was built in the midst,
Where I used to play on the green.

And the gates of this Chapel were shut,
And Thou shalt not. writ over the door;
So I turn'd to the Garden of Love,
That so many sweet flowers bore.

And I saw it was filled with graves,
And tomb-stones where flowers should be:
And Priests in black gowns, were walking their rounds,
And binding with briars, my joys & desires.

More reading

"In mythology the rose is associated with Aphrodite the Greek goddess of love who was often depicted adorned with roses around her head, feet and or neck. It is also said that a rose bush grew within the pool of blood spilled from Aphrodite’s slain lover Adonis. In Christian mythology, a rose bush was also said to have grown at the site of Christ’s death.

In the Tarot the rose is considered a symbol of balance. It expresses promise, new beginnings, and hope. Its thorns represent defense, physicality, loss, thoughtlessness. In the major arcana the rose appears on the Magician, Strength, Death and Fool cards. All of these cards hold strong meanings of balance and equilibrium.

In the classical era, the rose was sacred to a number of goddesses including Isis. The ancient Greeks and Romans also identified the rose with the goddesses of love, Aphrodite and Venus respectively. In Rome a wild rose would be placed on the door of a room where secret or confidential matters were discussed. The phrase sub rosa, or “under the rose”, means to keep a secret and is derived from this ancient Roman practice.

Christians in Medieval times identified the five petals of the rose with the five wounds of Christ. The rose later became associated with the Virgin Mary and was eventually adopted as a symbol of the blood of the Christian martyrs. A bouquet of red roses is used as a gift on Valentine’s Day which is a day celebrating the Christian Saint Valentinus."

https://www.flowermeaning.com/rose-flower-meaning/

There's a William Gibson story, New Rose Hotel, which ends with the protagonist hiding in a coffin-like hotel capsule - a bed of crimson joy, as it were - while a stealth helicopter hovers overhead searching for him with an infrared camera. The Blake reference is never made explicit, but I reckon it's absolutely intentional.

 

[Corpsey]

Shame all this stuff completely evaporates from my head 99% of the time.

 

[Corpsey]

I wonder if we think less symbolically now in part because we're less present in the world, or view it as an escape from the mental realm