Trim - Soulfood

john eden

john eden

male pale and stale
I think we have some examples to look back to, though ("we don't make drum 'n' bass, we're taking it to the next level with a live jazz band")

It seems to me that people do better when they stretch their genre to breaking point rather than "just make music".

Can we not expand what grime is, rather than throw the baby out with the bath water?

But this is probably all academic, because Trim is still doing great stuff and I am looking forward to vol 2 etc. It all depends on what music he makes, not what he calls it...
 
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elgato

I just dont know
but all these words, these 'genres'... surely all they do is reduce the potential scope for development? they serve the necessary purpose for marketing, selling, writing, theorising etc, but in terms of the actual musical evolution, do they contribute anything?
 
john eden

john eden

male pale and stale
elgato said:
but all these words, these 'genres'... surely all they do is reduce the potential scope for development? they serve the necessary purpose for marketing, selling, writing, theorising etc, but in terms of the actual musical evolution, do they contribute anything?
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I think you are assuming that "development" and "evolution" are always good things in music. Genres can go to shit just as easily as they can turn into gold.

Similarly, people trying to escape from the confines of a genre can create completely amazing innovative music which transcends its origins. Or they can simply become a not very good copy of their tick list of "impressive" musical influences.

I am talking more generally here, of course, not about Trim.
 
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elgato

I just dont know
this is true. but surely no-one wants grime, or london music to become stale, to become static?

i guess i probably feel its best if artists just ignore these definitions or issues altogether, as far as is possible, so i guess any statement referring to the issue is a negative one

its too much for me, it makes my head swirl
 
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Immryr

Well-known member
elgato said:
this is true. but surely no-one wants grime, or london music to become stale, to become static?
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why is it essential to shun grime in order to stop it from stagnating? surely if he `isnt making grime` then anything he does wont be helping grime evolve or `transend its barriers`;)
 
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elgato

I just dont know
but why should it have to conform to this idea of grime? what positive purpose does it serve? other than allegiance?

i dont really care if he helps "grime" to evolve, rather that music is made that is exciting and touches people. it wouldnt need to transcend barriers if there weren't any to start with
 
john eden

john eden

male pale and stale
As usual my reference point is dancehall, which seems entirely happy with reinventing itself and operating in cycles.
 
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gabriel

The Heatwave
the thing about dancehall though is that it's not really a genre. most dancehall producers or artists will tell you they just make music, it's just cos they're jamaican and so steeped in reggae/dancehall culture that is what they end up making.

in a way it's maybe more helpful to think of dancehall as a catch-all term in the way that 'dance music' is in the uk. obviously this analogy isn't perfect, especially with regards to how scenes here work, but something like grime might best be seen as something like 'dancehall's hardcore period from 2000-2002', while jungle is comparable to the early 90s ragga period. or something. then there's things like roots reggae which are just constantly bubbling along alongside (house? garage?) and interact with other bits of dancehall. the 90s revival of the past couple of years, again a bit like the ragga jungle revival of the past few years... hmm. perhaps.

not sure what my point is here, i'm not sure what i think about trim saying he doesn't want to make grime. anyway, back to topic?!
 
STN

STN

sou'wester
My copy finally arrived today (albeit in a smashed case) so I will attempt to have a listen tonight.
 
rockypoppy2

rockypoppy2

wtf?
to me soulfood volume 1 was definately grimey, regardless of his intentions, but i hope that by distancing himself so much from the scene (though leaving roll deep was the best thing hes done for a while) that he doesnt in any way stunt future musical progress, in terms of working with people, getting beats to flow over etc...


trim comes across well in that interview, i reckon he'd merk eminem straight-up! dre give him the beats
 
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Logan Sama

BestThereIsAtWhatIDo
All these artists are only supported by Grime DJs regularly. They get booked at Grime events and their music is sold in Grime sections of stores to Grime fans.

But no. They don't do Grime. They are musicians. They make music.

This is the problem with dealing with ignorant people who want to believe they are special unique little flowers who are better than everyone else.

Grime is a fucking PR nightmare, and not because it is all gun crime and stabbing. It is a PR fucking nightmare because all these artists kill themselves in interviews on a daily basis.

No wonder I make no fucking money.
 
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UFO over easy

online mahjong
Rudely Interrupted sounds like grime to me and it's the best tune I've heard in a while :)

plus, best line ever - "I'm gonna find your family tree and piss" :D
 
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elgato

I just dont know
Logan Sama said:
Grime is a fucking PR nightmare, and not because it is all gun crime and stabbing. It is a PR fucking nightmare because all these artists kill themselves in interviews on a daily basis.
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really? do you not think that if a comment like Trim's were in the Guardian, for example, they would lap it up? do you genuinely think that what he is saying is more of an obstacle to his success than what 'grime' connotes to most people?
 
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Logan Sama

BestThereIsAtWhatIDo
Trim's success is not more important than the long term sustainability of this genre of music as a whole.

Anyone who says they are not a Grime artist when they earn all their money from rime and get all their promotion from Grime is lost.

And the Grauniad and OMM can both suck my hairy beanbag.
 
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Logan Sama

BestThereIsAtWhatIDo
1000 units of Soul Food volume 1 to UKrecordshop which is a self confessed Grime store.

Bookings at Grime raves performing with other Grime acts and DJs.

Royalties and publishing from being played on Grime shows regularly.

That money.
 
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UFO over easy

online mahjong
Seems to me that stems from him just being a heavy MC.. even if your income is based on participation in a scene it doesn't seem to me like he owes that scene anything. Just like Dizzee has a right to do what he likes, even if the result is swag.

Dunno though. If I had 5p for every grime artist that sounds conflicted about the music they're doing, I'd have like 2 quid or something.
 
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