vimothy
yurp
What definition of "democracy" is being used here? Particularly with regards vimothy's assertion that the MNF is "giving" democracy to a region that previously only had "bombs flying out of it" (or whatever horribly racist caricature he used, I can't be bothered to go back and check). Because when I think of democracy, I think of the right of self-determination of a people, which the MNF seems to directly oppose. Most Iraqis want the occupiers gone, so much so that many of them *gasp* DARE to take up arms (who would EVER condone the right of brown people to fight for self-determination with ACTUAL GUNS AND BOMBS -- only SAVAGES and the defeatist leftists who apologize for them, apparently). Certainly few Iraqis desire to see cities such as Fallujah or Baquba destroyed and decimated. And I'd imagine that the millions forced from their homes would prefer to return. Perhaps just a few more years (or maybe a few more Friedmans?) before Iraqi citizens control their own lives?
Intersting - did Saddam reflect popular will then, given that the insurgency only sprung up after he had been deposed?
And remember that although you are accusing me of being a racist (twice in the same post, actually) imperialist, you are here justifying the insurgency and its victims are Iraqis, not westerners. The insurgency is not a struggle for self-determination, that has already been achieved. The insurgency is a struggle for power and revenge.
(And I think the ad homs reflect badly on the strength of your argument, Gavin).