sadmanbarty

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me and luke have these aesthetic perimeters we refer to as "faecal". it crops up in heavy metal, in rambling rants, in school shooter manifestos.

and here it is on page one explicitly. a complete preoccupation with "shit". it's written in total school shooter, rambling syntax. alienated, fustrated teenage boy sentence structures.
 

luka

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Shit is a major theme in literature, from the sinners in Dante's hell condemned to fight in shit, to the shitting Russian general in Finnegans Wake, to the hell canto of Ezra Pound. It's an essential building block of literatures symbology and of course it figures large in Freud.
 

version

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It comes up in Gravity's Rainbow a fair bit too. Brigadier Pudding being made to eat Katje's shit as part of some program of control, Slothrop's fantasy of crawling down the toilet, through the shit, whilst dosed on sodium amytal.
 

luka

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power is a result of bargains struck with alien life forms, with entities whose interests are mutually opposed to those of humanity at large.

there is a conspiracy theory, a compelling one, which interprets climate change as the terraforming of planet earth for its secret reptilian overlords. The minions of the reptilians, that is to say boards, syndicates and governments, burning coal and destroying forests in preparation for their return.

here cancer is allowed to replicate on earth in exchange for corporeal power. Here the orgasm-death gimmick is introduced. Here the ovens are in operation. The ovens I find very interesting partly because they also figure in Blake. Control Punishment Torture ovens. As if both men had stumbled upon the same terrible secret.
 

luka

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It comes up in Gravity's Rainbow a fair bit too. Brigadier Pudding being made to eat Katje's shit as part of some program of control, Slothrop's fantasy of crawling down the toilet, through the shit, whilst dosed on sodium amytal.

It's massive. Shit everywhere. Often linked with money.
 

version

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The Slothrop bit in particular seems to be him essentially crawling into the underworld of the American psyche, the racism and so on, as it's also got the stuff about Kennedy and him being convinced he's going to be raped by Malcolm X.
 

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One of Bloom’s mooted entrepreneurial schemes involves selling human waste on an industrial scale. Joyce’s work is mired in excremental language and imagery: water closets, commodes, sewers, ‘clotted hinderparts’, ‘slopperish matter’, ‘nappy spattees’, ‘pip poo pat’ of ‘bulgar … bowels’ and so on. Nowhere is Joyce more potty-mouthed than when taking on the language and procedure of religious devotion. At the outset of Finnegans Wake the books of Genesis and Exodus become urinary and colonic tracts and Christ the salmon turns into a big brown trout, a ‘brontoichthyan’ thunderfish or turd floating in a stream mingling with ‘piddle’. But, again, the process has already begun in Ulysses. Bloom starts his day by votively bowing his head as he enters his outhouse to perform the act of defecation that will see him hailed as ‘Moses, Moses, King of the Jews’ who ‘wiped his arse in the Daily News’. Buck Mulligan, in his parody of Mass, quick-changes from priest to military doctor, peeping at an imaginary stool sample floating in what he has been presenting as an altar bowl. The shaving bowl doesn’t contain faeces, but other sorts of human waste: stubble and cast-off skin cells. These things, too, belong to the category of excreta, as do phlegm, bile, navelcords and blood: whatever is excessive, leaking, trailing, dragging.

Ulysses is packed to overflowing with such things: in it every concept, no matter how intangible or rarefied, is transformed into something lowly, degraded, abject – and the more so the more elevated it held itself to be. Poetry turns into snot; nature, and the contours of the Romantic sublime, into a bowl of sluggish vomit. Forget Apollonian beauty: what Bloom wants to know is whether statues of Greek gods have arseholes. For him, the heart, seat of refined emotions, is a rusty pump; communion is cannibalism; justice just ‘means … everybody eating everyone else’. He’s obsessed with falling bodies, their weight and volume and the speed at which they fall. Ulysses is a heavy book, a book full of weight, a fallen book. What has fallen in it, into it, is everything literature previously held to be immaterial or abstract: in its pages metaphysics collapses into what the artist Jake Chapman nicely calls meatphysics. It’s hard to think, outside of zombie movies, of a work more omnivoric – and omni-emetic. Rats eat corpses; savages eat missionaries; Bloom eats cheese; cheese eats itself; dogs eat themselves, spew themselves out, eat themselves again; the city and the day eat and spew out Bloom …

https://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n12/tom-mccarthy/ulysses-and-its-wake
 

luka

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You start asking what extra human forces are at work within human society. What agents, actors, influences, what vegetable people, insect people.

Who are the insectoids in any case? https://www.gaia.com/article/mantis-aliens an alien race or some kind of group soul of the insect tribes present in the psychic realms?
 
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luka

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The Slothrop bit in particular seems to be him essentially crawling into the underworld of the American psyche, the racism and so on, as it's also got the stuff about Kennedy and him being convinced he's going to be raped by Malcolm X.

Exactly. Everything disavowed, hidden, flushed away.
 

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there is a conspiracy theory, a compelling one, which interprets climate change as the terraforming of planet earth for its secret reptilian overlords. The minions of the reptilians, that is to say boards, syndicates and governments, burning coal and destroying forests in preparation for their return.

That's kind of in the most recent Predator film, although it isn't being done on purpose. They recognise what's happening to the planet and come down more frequently to harvest the most useful lifeforms on Earth before they all die out and they can move in themselves due to the altered climate.
 

luka

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One of the things it allows you to do is to explain why so much human activity is inimical to human life. It allows you to explain the burning of the rainforests. Instead of saying its human nature man, you correlate types of behaviour to gods, demons, psychic parasites, alien life forms. This is the influence of the insectoids, of the vegetable people, of the Venusians. It's a mythologising of human behaviour. You get something very similar in Blake, with Los and Orc and Urizen and so on.

What is behind fossil fuel extraction? What is behind mass media? What is behind this or that current in history.
Squirming maggot world beneath the surface. Inchoate life forms. Thought forms. Parasitic gods.

It asks you to look at decision makers and ask, who do they serve? What deals have been done? What transactions taken place? What energies are they working with? What are they feeding on? What energies are they seeking to ignite and fan the flames of? What actions do they demand of their followers? What attitudes do they endorse?

To look again at the world and see it for the battlefield it is with people fighting the proxy wars of gods, demons, aliens, and those parasitic on human worship and submission.
 
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luka

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"What scared you all into time. Into body? Into shit? I will tell you: "the word.""

This word stuff comes up all the time
 

version

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Hexxus again.

Hexxus is the evil spirit of destruction who embodies everything that is toxic to nature. As such, his only goal in existence is to cause destruction, decay and death in any way he can. It can be inferred that Hexxus' ultimate goal is to inevitably kill off all of the Earth's creatures by transforming the world into an uninhabitable toxic wasteland after he has taken complete power and control over it as the primordial embodiment of destruction and pollution.

Hexxus first appeared on Earth in ancient times when the balance of nature shifted. He caused a nearby mountain known as Mt. Warning to erupt like a volcano, and from there, rose out of the Earth and rained down his poison, destroying much in his wake and killing countless living creatures everywhere in FernGully, including humans, who fled in fear, never to return. He was finally defeated by the elderly and wise fairy priestess named Magi Lune, and was imprisoned inside an enchanted baobab tree, which he remained trapped in for hundreds, if not thousands or possibly even millions of years.


 
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There's some interesting stuff in the introduction to my edition. Apparently there's some confusion as to whether it actually is a trilogy due to him referring to Naked Lunch, The Soft Machine and Nova Express as a trilogy at one point, him working Nova Express before Ticket, a revision of The Soft Machine being the last one published and because it was a multimedia project and you have to include the tapes and videos and whatnot in with it all.

 
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