owengriffiths
Owen
craner talks about wales all the time but droid never talks about dublin. why?
Droid is far too busy to be talking about his hometown, not like you Cockneys who are all on the dole and have got nothing better to do.
craner talks about wales all the time but droid never talks about dublin. why?
I know I've asked this sort of thing a lot before but with road rap, say, where are the spaces/lines of communication?
Are there forums, magazines, hubs? Or is it all Youtube/Facebook/Twitter?
Obviously I don't listen to enough drill or don't listen closely enough cos it just sounds like trap to me... (doubly confusing as chicago drill is being included in 'trap' there)
incidentally in the brand new issue of the Wire, Michaelangelo Matos has done a Primer to UK Pirate Radio DJ Sets, starting around 1988 and going through to the end of the 2000s. He's done a good job framing the evolution and found a lot of gems, drawing on his formidable resources of obsessive-compulsiveness and sifting through what seems to have been an insane number of contenders
Because reggae became the dominant caribbean music in the UK from the late 60s onwards. Both in terms of the mainstream charts and also in terms of the subculture.
Reggae soundsystems all over London http://uncarved.org/dub/splash/directory.html
Also reggae record shops.
Soca and calypso were around but a bit of a sideshow.
UK reggae artists:
Mad Professor (Guyana)
Dennis Bovell (Barbados)
Eddy Grant (Guyana)
Plus a bunch I've forgotten - didn't matter where you were from, rasta and reggae where the main thing for black youth in the 70s and onwards (then dancehall, then hip hop).
Just thinking of how road rap is a South London thing, by and large - is South London predominantly Carribbean-British, and is road rap too?
fwiw I at least am infinitely more interested in nuts+bolts rhythm talk than rehashing is/isn't nuum for the nth time*boring rhythm talk ahead*
i hated it when corpsey did that
The particular dynamism of the hardcore continuum came from the unstable squashing together of the different people / attitudes / traditions that got pulled into hardcore. Its history since then has basically been separation and stratification and gradual dispersal of potential energy - everyone pulling out the elements of hardcore / jungle that they liked and settling into smaller and more stable scenes, which might still be good, but lack the original constant what-the-fuck inventiveness.
fwiw I at least am infinitely more interested in nuts+bolts rhythm talk than rehashing is/isn't nuum for the nth time
my understanding is that the bassline in jungle usually runs halftime to the drums? or the drums run double-time to the bass, to put it the other way. I'm sure snare/hi-hat/kick placement also plays a role in implying two tempos tho I couldn't tell you how. I seem iirc something about a hallmark of 2-step being the hi-hat keeping time while the kick does syncopated patterns, triplets, whatever? actually, barty or droid or someone, what actually keeps time in jungle? is there even a central rhythmic element in jungle the way the kick marks time in disco/house, or no?
these are pretty basic question I guess. idk I play drums basically by feel, I can't really break down more complex rhythmic things.
would be happy to have a thread just devoted to rhythm/drums talk btw, if there was sufficient interest
bit of a stretch to call him reggae proper no? not disputing your main point, it's actually interesting cos he's a dude who was fusing multiple (largely) Black British things together - reggae, disco, jazz funk, etc - with white musics. usually nuum discussions focus on the techno meets reggae + breakbeats narrative, soundsystems, junglists with roots as breakdancing electro era bboys, etc but every so often someone mentions jazz-funk + rare groove, which clearly those dudes grew up listening to, from the proliferation of samples in jungle.Eddy Grant (Guyana)
btw, this. not surprising that the descendant of arena trance wound up victorious, especially in the U.S., which by + large fundamentally does not get dance music.Trance won
fwiw I at least am infinitely more interested in nuts+bolts rhythm talk than rehashing is/isn't nuum for the nth time
my understanding is that the bassline in jungle usually runs halftime to the drums? or the drums run double-time to the bass, to put it the other way. I'm sure snare/hi-hat/kick placement also plays a role in implying two tempos tho I couldn't tell you how. I seem iirc something about a hallmark of 2-step being the hi-hat keeping time while the kick does syncopated patterns, triplets, whatever? actually, barty or droid or someone, what actually keeps time in jungle? is there even a central rhythmic element in jungle the way the kick marks time in disco/house, or no?
these are pretty basic question I guess. idk I play drums basically by feel, I can't really break down more complex rhythmic things.
would be happy to have a thread just devoted to rhythm/drums talk btw, if there was sufficient interest
I assume this is why hardcore can actually feel considerably more frenetic despite being slower - the bass running at the same time as the drumsthe 130's-140's from hardcore to the 160's of jungle