other_life

bioconfused
in any instance the debate ab whether BRICS is imperialist in the sense lenin defined it feels like a metaphysical one, because they are vying for hegemony with the u.s. and u.k and leveraging their relationship with the european union to do so.
 

thirdform

Active member
in any instance the debate ab whether BRICS is imperialist in the sense lenin defined it feels like a metaphysical one, because they are vying for hegemony with the u.s. and u.k and leveraging their relationship with the european union to do so.

To me the central thing here is not whether China or Russia are imperialist, but which state we have to prioritise the collapse of in the proletarian revolution. And that is undisputably the state with the most airpower, namely the US. It is imperative that we coordinate communist efforts to forming a single world communist party that can seize all the choak points of the US on a worldwide scale, and thereby bring the US proletariat into the world revolution. anything else, say, the standard liberal clap trap of all imperialisms being as bad as each other is like saying that capitalism can evolve to such a state where wars between the imperialist powers will never take place, which totally misunderstands the counter-acting tendancy necessary to devalue the organic composition of capital when it reaches a certain fever pitch.

*by communist party* I mean the class party, not necessarily a duplication of the 2nd international social democrat parties.
 
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Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
6) Ableism is really not a good look, Dominic.
Oh this is really good - getting schooled in social justice by the guy who jokes about gang-raping other members' girlfriends. Fucking lol.

And I see now you weren't being a dick to craner at all, just blaming me for the locking of a thread I had nothing to do with.

Lessons in "humility", from you, of all people.
 

thirdform

Active member
dominic, you don't even know what I said. I'm not taking you to court, but you seem to be doing exactly that, whilst trying to get one up on the berlin dj to show just how anti-islamophobia you are, when you have done nothing to better the lot of muslims. I'm actually a muslim and I do not understand why it's not acceptable to weaponise anti-antisemitism for cynical ends, whilst it is islamophobia. Got a coherent case ready??
 
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zhao

there are no accidents
US Supports Uyghur Separatism, Militancy

"The US National Endowment for Democracy’s own website admits to meddling all across China and does so so extensively that it felt the necessity to break down its targeting of China into several regions including mainland, Hong Kong, Tibet, and Xinjiang/East Turkistan.

It is important to understand that “East Turkistan” is what Uyghur militants and separatists refer to Xinjiang as. Beijing does not recognize this name. NED – by recognizing the term “East Turkistan” – is implicitly admitting that it supports separatism in western China, even as the US decries separatists and alleged annexations in places like Donbass, Ukraine and Russian Crimea.
And more than just implicitly admitting so, US NED money is admittedly provided to the World Uyghur Congress (WUC) which exclusively refers to China’s Xinjiang province as “East Turkistan” and refers to China’s administration of Xinjiang as the “Chinese occupation of East Turkistan.” On WUC’s website, articles like, “Op-ed: A Profile of Rebiya Kadeer, Fearless Uyghur Independence Activist,” admits that WUC leader Rebiya Kadeer seeks “Uyghur independence” from China.
It is the WUC and other Washington-based Uyghur fronts who are repeatedly cited by the Western media and faux human rights advocacy groups like Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International regarding allegations of “1 million” Uyghurs being placed into “internment camps,” as illustrated in the above mentioned BBC article.

By omitting the very real terrorist problem facing China in Xinjiang as well as elsewhere around the world where state-sponsored Uyghur terrorists are deployed and fighting, and by depicting China’s campaign to confront extremism as “repression,” the West aims at further inflaming violent conflict in Xinjiang and jeopardizing human life – not protecting it.

Where Uyghur terrorists are being trafficked through on their way to foreign battlefields, Beijing-friendly governments like Bangkok are sending suspects back to face justice in China. In nations like Malaysia where US-backed opposition has recently come to power, Uyghur terror suspects are being allowed to proceed onward to Turkey."

https://journal-neo.org/2018/10/24/us-fueling-terrorism-in-china/
 

zhao

there are no accidents
It is US backed fundamentalism, extremism, and separatism which is a danger to Uyghur culture and tradition. The ideology of DAESH and ISIS has not much to do with the beautiful religion of peace.

In fact, the Communist Party of China has been actively protecting and preserving Uyghur culture for decades, like they have been doing with all ethnic minorities. Nearly all ethnic minority regions in China are today governed by members from those groups. There are 21 universities scattered around China built specifically for ethnic minorities. Ethnic minorities were exempt from the one child policy. What the CPC does want to prevent are backwards feudal practices like families forcing their kids to reject modern medicine, jihadism, or slavery to take root again in China.

"Cultural Protection and Development in Xinjiang" (November 2018)

By: The State Council Information Office of the People’s Republic of China

IV. Protecting and Carrying Forward Cultural Heritage

Xinjiang is a region rich in cultural heritage. The central government and the local government of Xinjiang have made a continuous effort to strengthen the legal system for the protection of the region’s cultural heritage. The Law of the People’s Republic of China on the Protection of Cultural Relics and the Law of the People’s Republic of China on Intangible Cultural Heritage provide important legal protection for the diverse cultural heritage of all ethnic groups in Xinjiang.
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- Protection of cultural heritage yields results.

Xinjiang has formed a cultural heritage protection network comprising 189 institutions at all levels. The region has completed three surveys on fixed national cultural relics and one on movable national cultural relics, forming a comprehensive database. By the end of 2017 Xinjiang had 9,542 cultural heritage sites, of which six were World Heritage sites, 113 were key national sites, and 558 were at the autonomous-region level. Xinjiang’s cultural heritage system contains 93 public museums, including two national first-grade museums – the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region Museum and the Turpan Museum, with a collection of 450,000 items.

Xinjiang has made great headway in protecting its historical and cultural cities, towns, villages and localities. The region now has five cities, three towns, four villages, and two localities that have been recognized as state-level historical and cultural divisions, as well as 17 traditional Chinese villages and 22 ethnic-minority villages with cultural significance. Over the years, the Chinese government has supported the repair and conservation of many cultural heritage sites, such as the Gaochang Ancient City Ruins, Beiting Ancient City Ruins, and new and old Huiyuan Ancient City, while rescuing and restoring more than 3,000 rare cultural relics.

- Archeological findings attract wide attention.

By the end of 2017 eight archeological programs, including the Niya Ruins in Minfeng County, Yingpan Cemetery in Yuli County, Xiaohe Cemetery in Ruoqiang County, 3rd-4th century brick graves in Kucha County, Dongheigou Ruins in Barkol County, and the Tongtiandong Cave in Jeminay County, had been listed among the National Top 10 Archeological Discoveries of the Year. The arm protector with the inscriptions of “Five stars appear in the East, sign of Chinese victory over the Qiang” and the silk quilt with inscriptions of “Marriages between princes and dukes bring prosperity to their posterity” unearthed from the Niya Ruins are national treasures.

- Protection of ancient books has been strengthened.

Xinjiang has set up a leading group and office in charge of the classification and publishing of the autonomous region’s ancient books, an ancient books preservation center, an ancient books restoration center, and a repository for ancient books and special collections of ethnic minorities. In 2011 the region’s Ancient Books Preservation Center started its first survey of ancient books, registering important and rare volumes and recording their content, physical condition, and preservation requirements. This was the first of several such surveys. By the end the 2017 the center had examined 14,980 books. Ancient books in its collection are written in 19 languages and 28 scripts, and fall into three language families: the Chinese language family (Chinese, Tangut, and Khitan scripts), the Aramaic family (more than 10 scripts, including the Kharosthi, Pahlavi, Manichaean, and Huihu scripts), and the Brahmi family (Sanskrit, Tocharian, Khotanese, and Tubo scripts). These books cover a wide range of subjects, including politics, the economy, society, religions, astronomy, mathematics, medicine, and the arts. Digitalization of ancient books and related work are further strengthened.

The Chinese government has supported the translation, editing and publishing into Chinese and Uygur languages of Kutadgu Bilig (Wisdom of Fortune and Joy) and A Comprehensive Turki Dictionary, two works of the Karahan Kingdom period in the 11th century. The government has also organized experts in ancient books to carry out research and provide expertise in this field, and helped to arrange exchanges between Chinese and foreign professionals, researchers, and administrators engaged in the preservation of ancient books. In 2011 the Ministry of Culture and the local government of Xinjiang co-hosted an exhibition, titled “Recovered Treasures from the Western Regions: Progress in Preserving Xinjiang’s Historical Literature and Ancient Books”. More than half of the ancient books displayed at the exhibition were the only copies extant. This achievement was acclaimed by the widest range of interested parties.

- Intangible cultural heritage is effectively protected.

Under the guiding principle of giving priority to both preservation and restoration, and pursuing sound utilization and development, the policy and legislation for protecting intangible cultural heritage have been strengthened. In 2008 the Regulations of the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region on the Protection of Intangible Cultural Heritage were enacted. In 2010 the Regulations of the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region on the Protection of Uygur Muqam Arts were promulgated and put into force. In addition, Xinjiang has introduced a number of rules for protecting its intangible cultural heritage, which provide institutional guarantees for rescuing and preserving this heritage in a coordinated and systematic manner.

In 1951 and 1954 the central government made recordings of the music of the Twelve Muqams to rescue the Muqam arts. Since the 1960s, firm funding and manpower support from the government has enabled the publication of works of folk literature, including the Kirgiz epic Manas and Mongolian epic Jangar. The Collection of Chinese Ethnic and Folk Dances (Xinjiang Volume), Collection of Chinese Folk Songs (Xinjiang Volume), and Collection of Chinese Folk Tales (Xinjiang Volume) have been compiled and published to introduce the folk music, dances, drama and other arts of the region.

The program for protecting and preserving Xinjiang’s intangible cultural heritage as part of the initiative to promote Chinese cultural traditions is well under way. By the end of 2017, to rescue and preserve its intangible cultural heritage, Xinjiang had completed the recording of intangible cultural items presented by 23 state-level representative trustees in the form of written texts, images, audios and videos. Furthermore, the region had established three state-level demonstration bases that produce Uygur musical instruments, carpets and Etles silk for the preservation of these intangible cultural items. In addition, the region had set up 91 autonomous-region level bases for preserving and handing down its intangible cultural heritage.

Uygur Muqam of Xinjiang and the Kirgiz epic Manas were registered on the “UNESCO Representative List of the Intangible Cultural Heritage of Humanity”, and Uygur Meshrep on the “List of Intangible Cultural Heritage in Need of Urgent Safeguarding”. Xinjiang has 83 items on the national representative list of intangible cultural heritage and 294 items on the autonomous-region list, as well as 112 state-level representative trustees and 403 autonomous-region representative trustees of its intangible cultural heritage.

- Folk cultures are respected and preserved.

Xinjiang embraces cultural diversity and inclusiveness, and upholds mutual learning among cultures. The region fully respects and protects folk cultures, thus realizing the harmonious coexistence of different cultures and enabling the effective protection and preservation of the best traditions of all ethnic groups. All people in Xinjiang have the right to observe their own statutory festivals such as the Spring Festival, Qingming Festival, Dragon Boat Festival, Mid-Autumn Festival, Ramadan, and Corban. They celebrate the festivals in many forms, such as playing music, dancing, and holding traditional sports events. Among popular folk festivals are the Han people’s Lantern Festival, the Uygur’s Meshrep, the Kazak’s Aytes, the Kirgiz’s Kobuz Ballad Singing Fair, the Mongolian Nadam Fair, and the Hui people’s Hua’er Folk Song Festival. The local government promotes mutual respect for folkways among all ethnic groups while encouraging appropriate and healthy lifestyles, wedding and funeral practices, and customs and rituals.

https://aresnews.wordpress.com/2019...jiang-to-dispel-western-claims-of-oppression/
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
dominic, you don't even know what I said. I'm not taking you to court, but you seem to be doing exactly that, whilst trying to get one up on the berlin dj to show just how anti-islamophobia you are, when you have done nothing to better the lot of muslims. I'm actually a muslim and I do not understand why it's not acceptable to weaponise anti-antisemitism for cynical ends, whilst it is islamophobia. Got a coherent case ready??
Whatever faults I may have, I don't think a saviour complex is one of them, so you can stop beating me up for not spending my spare time lying down in front of Israeli bulldozers.

If I'm showing some inconsistency about (anti-)anti-Semitism and (anti-)anti-Islam-ism, it's because anti-Semitism is at present a huge stumbling block for any kind of progressive politics in this country. Yeah of course loads of Tories - maybe most of them - have a big problem with Muslims, but I don't think I know anyone who votes Tory, let alone who goes on Facebook all the time with big rants about how anyone who says the Tories are Islamophobic is obviously part of some big sinister conspiracy. Whereas I know a number of people who do exactly this with Labour and anti-Semitism.
 
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Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
I do wonder if we should just mute each other if it's going to be impossible to interact in anything but this extremely antagonistic way.
 

thirdform

Active member
you still haven't answered my question, instead just copy pasta'd. let's take what you say as granted. where is the culture nurturing uygur separatism in Turkey? If anything the AKP are siding with China on this, not the US. Not that it matters, as China is clammering for hegemony in trading with the US and EU. But this is precisely the fight between the nationalists who have split from Erdogan. Erdogan has no pan-turkist ambitions in 2019. His ambitions are Eurasian, if anything.

And this thus obscures the real terrorist culture in Turkey, that of the turkish judiciary and the Turkish army.

Ironically the hysterical fits of anti-imperialism in the middle east from 2013-14 forced the PKK to be involved in a tug o war between the US and RU in containing ISIS, itself a non-starter had communists actually had sense and took hold of the leadership of the syrian local coordination councils in 2011-12. By the time Mosul was taken, the class had long since been smashed. Funny that first history appears as tragedy: the councils in the German rev were taken over by the social democrats and resulted in Hitlerism. And in this instance as sheer farce, the councils were given to the pro-turkey ikhwan neoliberals.

Once again an irresistable proof of the bankrupcy of all kinds of democratist perversions.
 
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thirdform

Active member
Whatever faults I may have, I don't think a saviour complex is one of them, so you can stop beating me up for not spending my spare time lying down in front of Israeli bulldozers.

If I'm showing some inconsistency about (anti-)anti-Semitism and (anti-)anti-Islam-ism, it's because anti-Semitism is at present a huge stumbling block for any kind of progressive politics in this country. Yeah of course loads of Tories - maybe most of them - have a big problem with Muslims, but I don't think I know anyone who votes Tory, let alone who goes on Facebook all the time with big rants about how anyone who says the Tories are Islamophobic is obviously part of some big sinister conspiracy. Whereas I know a number of people who do exactly this with Labour and anti-Semitism.

I don't give a fuck about progressive politics though. Labour and tory, all the same. Why would you paint labour out to a progressive party when it's been just as complicit in colonialism and privatisation? It was the labour party that introduced the predecessors to workfare, not the tories. the tories just took it to its logical conclusion.
 

thirdform

Active member
turkish cultural foundations have also done quite a bit recently to preserve Kurdish culture. We even have a state channel now. trt shesh.

Does that mean the struggle of the Kurdish working class is invalid?

Zhao you have no idea what ur talking about.
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
I don't give a fuck about progressive politics though. Labour and tory, all the same. Why would you paint labour out to a progressive party when it's been just as complicit in colonialism and privatisation? It was the labour party that introduced the predecessors to workfare, not the tories. the tories just took it to its logical conclusion.
Yes, I know you don't. But the two parties aren't identical (more so now than in the recent past - the party today is pretty different than it was 10 or 20 years ago, for better or worse - almost certainly both) and it does matter which of them is in power. I mean, it matters to me, even if it doesn't matter to you.
 

thirdform

Active member
In what sense does it matter to you? I'm quite good actually. Just had to phone the DWP up again the other day to perform routine checks. might be reassessed again and possibly have my dole cut a bit. pretty similar to labour, who still want to lock up 'schizos and spastics' we're not hearing of any reforms to the mental health act are we?

As in, I'm being absolutely charitable here, I'm genuinely curious in what way it matters to you. I've asked people this for the past 4 years and I always get a response analogous to you, it's not the same as new labour. ignoring all of its bickering and showbiz politics, if anything I disagree: Corbynism was the true victory of Thatcherism.

Doesn't David Lammy, that darling of white remainers, still make a distinction between the good and the not so good imigrant? Didn't Abbott say we need to work with france to dissuade refugees from trying to come here? What kind of socialism is this? even by traditional social democrat standards it just signifies a death knell.

Generally voted for a stricter asylum system. 13 votes for, 4 votes against, 11 absences, between 2002-2016.

https://twitter.com/libcomorg/status/1110459648237285377

https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/2004/jul/12/asylum-and-immigration-treatment-of-1

https://twitter.com/BigGlitch1/status/1110473664594673664
 
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other_life

bioconfused
we don't want to move labour or its sister parties (like juan guaido's :poop:) to the left. we want to see them liquidated and their leadership held to account
 
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