Online (post-geographic) Localism.

luka

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If we were to use this virtual space to create our own music genre that would represent an online and post-geographic localism. Where's other-life?
 

Corpsey

call me big papa
My prejudice is that good music doesn't get made through conceptualism, but I guess some music I love (GAS springs to mind) is conceptual, so perhaps I'm way off.
 

luka

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My prejudice is that good music doesn't get made through conceptualism, but I guess some music I love (GAS springs to mind) is conceptual, so perhaps I'm way off.

I agree but a) I never said it would be good
B) never said it would be conceptual.
 

luka

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What dissensus should be able to create, but for the most part can't, is intelligent,imaginative and passionate conversation. This is what I find very very upsetting. There is a commitment of time given but not of energy or of risk.
 

Corpsey

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Music that was reflective of the internet would be schizophrenic, associational, allusive, referential, unable to fix on a single idea or identity, and yet simultaneously repetitive, circuitous, aimless, joyful and joyless, posturingly nihilistic, posturingly idealistic

I foresee a dark future of features in The Wire, music fawned over by bearded men with goldsmiths degrees, tote bags filled with dissensi tube socks
 
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Corpsey

call me big papa
What dissensus should be able to create, but for the most part can't, is intelligent,imaginative and passionate conversation. This is what I find very very upsetting. There is a commitment of time given but not of energy or of risk.

Is it because we're (by and large) english?
 

sadmanbarty

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What dissensus should be able to create, but for the most part can't, is intelligent,imaginative and passionate conversation.

The silver age of dissensus was intelligent, imaginative and passionate, but arguably died because of the forum's post-geographic nature.

London's sense of humour, it's conversational speed, etc. were the motors behind the silver age and you can see that, with some exceptions, the further a away a user was from London, the more alienated they were by the silver age.
 

Corpsey

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Should music reflect the world or improve it

Be a mirror to it or a portal out of it

On this I note that Pound acted as a scolding flame on two visionaries, Yeats and Eliot, reorientating them towards the real.
 
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Corpsey

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I like that there's a thread for new music now, even though I don't like most of the music in it

That must exist, but there needs to be threads for loftier ideals cos otherwise there isn't much to talk about really
 

Corpsey

call me big papa
The silver age of dissensus was intelligent, imaginative and passionate, but arguably died because of the forum's post-geographic nature.

London's sense of humour, it's conversational speed, etc. were the motors behind the silver age and you can see that, with some exceptions, the further a away a user was from London, the more alienated they were by the silver age.

We're being post-geographic now, haven't you heard?
 

Corpsey

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as I do occasionally, I've been scanning the radio 1 playlist to get a bead on the popular pulse, and I find to my disgust that the popular pulse is STILL that dancehall-derived beat that was the popular pulse about three years ago

i've liked a lot of songs built on that beat, don't get me wrong, but

TO THEORISE:
it's a sort of post-geographic beat, a beat for bougie liberalism/multiculturalism, an unthreatening evocation of exotic hedonic locations, a regimented corporate hipster death-march, with swing in its hips, apparent diversions, actual uniformity
 

other_life

bioconfused
who still talks about *night bus*?
although i guess 'convertible to yokohama' ended up feeding into vaporwave and the general fascination with city pop and japanese Clean Ambient, boon for youtube's recommendation algorithms
 

luka

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The silver age of dissensus was intelligent, imaginative and passionate, but arguably died because of the forum's post-geographic nature.

London's sense of humour, it's conversational speed, etc. were the motors behind the silver age and you can see that, with some exceptions, the further a away a user was from London, the more alienated they were by the silver age.

It was also literally just me you and corpse being brilliant and showing off for one another though. I loved it but would be good to get everyone wanting to play the same game.
 

other_life

bioconfused
maybe the problem of creating anything new is people are so immediately dismissive, wanting to reduce it to an arithmetic of previous styles to show they're with it, they understand the reference points, it's all so easy to demystify
burn the punk hagiographies
 

Corpsey

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I wonder if you can even recognise the new when you're old. One pov is that you get old and you've seen it all before. But maybe you also get old and THINK you've seen it all before.

After all, your brain literally, plastically changes as you age, and hardens, then decays. Would you know the new if it danced the Fortnite in front of you?*

Then too there's the overwhelming question - is the new good? I wanted to raise this earlier, I read I can't remember where that the old myths were replaced in the 20th century by the new myth of modernity. Modernity is an ideal, an ever changing present. Progress and improvement are off the table but change is irrefutable.

* Witness too the magnetism of conservatism to the ancient - protective of their money and their place in society and so on but also perhaps simply less psychologically open to change
 
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other_life

bioconfused
then maybe the music of the coming decade should be neither self consciously Novel, Not Possible Before Now (what someone here called 'diaspora conceptronica' or pc music is maybe a key example) nor self consciously retrophilic or hauntological in any way, but content itself with recombinations that are novel enough
and not notice and not care if others notice like "this is something [some *relatively* obscure Psychedelic/Progressive/Electronic/Post-Punk concern] already did, and really excellent too by the way, YOU SHOULD CHECK THIS RECORD OUT AND READ THESE BOOKS"
maybe they already know, maybe they don't but will, or maybe it doesn't matter because they're coming together to just release this sound, this mutual compulsion they have in music
which reminds me it'd be neat if people in my age bracket got away from the solo electronic thing or the Meme Music Hyped By A Clique thing and started putting together bands again, but not rock bands, not a band with any necessary modifiers... you can have a band with people on laptops, cheap keyboards and drum boxes, crap student model guitars, with anything. and get away from what 'online localism' is doing to our fucking brains
 

Corpsey

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It's interesting (is it?) I work in marketing and words are valued according to SEO. How searchable is this word? So now genre names are presumably more self applied than in the past, because you're in an online marketplace where you have to be searchable.
 
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