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Leo

Leo

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I always wanted to go visit that lodge but was crestfallen when I learned the interiors were shot on a film soundstage in England. exteriors based on a place in Oregon, but they don't even have a hedge maze.
 
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version

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version said:
It's a film full of those liminal spaces Linebaugh was on about.
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IdleRich

IdleRich

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Corpsey said:
Friend of mine told me to watch the last samurai

Tells me it's "top drawer cruise"

Do i trust him or nah
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Weird, I was just writing about Cruise in the thread about Unreservedly Recommended films (page 169) - I hadn't specifically mentioned that film by name but I was actually thinking it about it as arguably the purest demonstration of example of this tendency of his:
there are lots of actors who normally play the goodies - and the nature of the hollywood action film beast is that the goody is an improbably super human hero - but Tom Cruise does seem to have this thing going on which is even more pronounced than with other actors in that he has to play the hardest nicest most superhumanest person imaginable who must battle against the most incredibly unimaginable odds, normally after being beaten down and destroyed in the middle of the film, humiliated and stripped of everything, broken and with his arms, legs and head cut off, yet by the end, sheer force of will allied with his incorruptible morality and enormous towering height means that somehow he wins through at the last moment in the most supremely triumphant and heroic way.
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Just perfect timing to flick over to this thread and see it here. That's not to say it's a bad film as such, just that I recall it as one of the most over the top HEROIC films of his whole oeuvre.
 
Corpsey

Corpsey

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I've been reading some Shining-related stuff since Saturday and it seems that a lot of people see the paranormal events as happening in Jack Nicholson's head.

I can see there's grounds for that theory but I finished the movie thinking that there was some heavy duty ghosty/possessiony shit going down that pushed him into madness.

Also watched this video* this morning which is sort of ingenious but which I also don't really buy. It reminds me of an article I read re: 'Room 237' by Kubrick's assistant in which he dismissed some of the theories - e.g. the typewriter make is supposed to be an allusion to the holocaust, but the assistant says they used it because it was kubrick's typewriter.

I guess that's an interesting thing about conspiracy theories re: the shining. You can really make a convincing argument based on things that might well just happen to be there. What gives these theorists more fuel for the fire is the idea that Kubrick was an incredibly exacting director and 'everything is there for a reason'. (Which it probably is, but for what reason?)

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So what do we think - is the bear sucking off the old geezer a projection of Jack Torrance going down on his son?
 
Corpsey

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
(I do love the idea of the 237 incident being Jack torrance's nightmare and him glimpsing the rotting corpse in the mirror is him staring at his own perverted sexuality)
 
luka

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The information can arrange itself into all sorts of different patterns. You don't want to be thinking either in terms of Kubricks ultimate intentions or of any definitive master explanation.
 
Corpsey

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
e.g. (the apollo sweatshirt in the video above is seen as a symbol of a phallus aiming at danny's mouth 😂 )

www.nytimes.com

It’s Back. But What Does It Mean? (Published 2013)

Stanley Kubrick’s longtime assistant, Leon Vitali, says various theories about hidden meanings in “The Shining,” proposed in the documentary “Room 237,” are just “balderdash.”
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There are scenes, for instance, in which Danny wears a sweater showing the Apollo 11 rocket. This becomes part of the faked-moon-landing theory, as articulated by Jay Weidner, an author and independent filmmaker.

“That was knitted by a friend of Milena Canonero,” the costume designer, Mr. Vitali said. “Stanley wanted something that looked handmade, and Milena arrived on the set one day and said, ‘How about this?’ It was just the sort of thing that a kid that age would have liked.”
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Corpsey

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
luka said:
The information can arrange itself into all sorts of different patterns. You don't want to be thinking either in terms of Kubricks ultimate intentions or of any definitive master explanation.
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I don't want to shut the theorising down, but I find it interesting how these accidental aspects are sewn into these elaborate theories.

One of these days I'll manage to get up to Stephen's Hamlet theory in Ulysses, an example of the ingeniousness of interpretation.
 
Corpsey

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
It is weird how I place quite a lot of importance on whether or not the ghosts were actually there - because it would ruin it a bit for me if it was all just him going loco - but actually, it's 'just a film', none of it is real anyway, and it draws attention to itself as a fictive object
 
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version

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luka said:
The information can arrange itself into all sorts of different patterns. You don't want to be thinking either in terms of Kubricks ultimate intentions or of any definitive master explanation.
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Yeah, I never really come down on specific interpretations of stuff. I can't. They exist simultaneously. And that's kind of the point. The effect and sensation of having to contend with conflicting information.
 
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