thirdform

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I mean danny I'm arguing this for the other types who got into acid from euro synth pop and ebm nitzer eb etc. so actually that's who i mean by the balearic boys, not our london-essex lads.
 

muser

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from when I was young and to this day middle of the road dnb nights have always had the highest concentration of full-body gurning wreckheads in my experience.
 

thirdform

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from when I was young and to this day middle of the road dnb nights have always had the highest concentration of full-body gurning wreckheads in my experience.

what like liquid? that is a good counter to my thesis then.
 

muser

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what like liquid? that is a good counter to my thesis then.

No man completely falls in line, jump-up , hard dnb . Although if you go a bit further to breakcore and gabba, I'm not talking the proper original gabba nights but the music taken on by breakcore heads, there was allot less. I'd say that was purely down to culture, more K and people too self conscious / scared to look off their head.
 

thirdform

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No man completely falls in line, jump-up , hard dnb . Although if you go a bit further to breakcore and gabba, I'm not talking the proper original gabba nights but the music taken on by breakcore heads, there was allot less. I'd say that was purely down to culture, more K and people too self conscious / scared to look off their head.


ah yeah. jump up i can't stand one bit but i have still a sneaking enjoyment of hard dnb/techno-dnb/neurofunk when its done right. an opinion to be crucified by on these forums but hey give me like Raiden over Commix any day.
 

DannyL

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like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utdeKMXdWIE

compared to:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNRa28zUGmo

one was a europhile, the other was not. yet the non-europhile was able easily to make the music sound more euro, paradoxically.

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I actually like both tunes though I can see they are coming from totally different aesthetic places.

I have a fondness for the crap Euro pop end of dance music/balearic. I don't particularly want to listen to it now, but I like the idea of clubs playing things like Pete Wylie's "Sinful", Chris Rea's "Josephine" (which I still love) or, the ultimate deal breaker, Phil Collins. I actually remember hearing "There's something in the air" at a night at the 4 Aces in Dalston a million years ago. I've always like the idea of cross-genre contamination, perhaps it reflects my own background.

William Pitt "City Lights" is another one. Perhaps these are records that only sound good when you're in the Mediterranean?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtXIdykj2QE

(not the extended club mix which was the popular one - this is about as far from pillhead music as it's possible to go I think)

You're right to say that this stuff never had legs in the UK and London like black music did. A few DJs tried to imitiate the Ibiza moment but it's hard to say it had that widespread appeal.
 
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thirdform

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I actually like both tunes though I can see they are coming from totally different aesthetic places.

I have a fondness for the crap Euro pop end of dance music/balearic. I don't particularly want to listen to it now, but I like the idea of clubs playing things like Pete Wylie's "Sinful", Chris Rea's "Josephine" (which I still love) or, the ultimate deal breaker, Phil Collins. I actually remember hearing "There's something in the air" at a night at the 4 Aces in Dalston a million years ago. I've always like the idea of cross-genre contamination, perhaps it reflects my own background.

William Pitt "City Lights" is another one. Perhaps these are records that only sound good when you're in the Mediterranean?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtXIdykj2QE

(not the extended club mix which was the popular one - this is about as far from pillhead music as it's possible to go I think)

You're right to say that this stuff never had legs in the UK and London like black music did. A few DJs tried to imitiate the Ibiza moment but it's hard to say it had that widespread appeal.


well i guess it kind of did inadvertently through trance in the late 90s but yeah.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1j_aOZk-v4

conversely this was late 90s student pillhead music so not sure what that says about my thesis. maybe the nutter ideal?
 

DannyL

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Thirdform, have you seen that new Jeremy Dellar documentary? On iPlayer at the moment. He very much makes link between the proletarian culture of the miner's strike and its suppression and raving. Worth watching for the haircuts and fashions alone.
 

146 I.Q. Magical thinker

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Thirdform, have you seen that new Jeremy Dellar documentary? On iPlayer at the moment. He very much makes link between the proletarian culture of the miner's strike and its suppression and raving. Worth watching for the haircuts and fashions alone.

Oh shit, hit man and her in Blackpool 1988 vs 1992 (at the edge in Coventry)
Strong start...
 

DannyL

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It's kinda given me a massive reminder of how contested the UK spaces have been. Physically, not just culturally. Miners, hunt sabs, travellers, Greenham Common, all this stuff is the backdrop of rave culture. I knew that, but it's good to get a vivid reminder.
 

luka

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Tbh I don't think we need more raves we need more riots. Pure chaos kicking off till they throw us all in jail. That's the counter culture I want. Massive violent civil unrest.
 

pattycakes_

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The camels back will break one day, and I'd wager that there's a strong chance you'll get your wish. But it will be at a point where things are far uglier than now. This is based on the view that things don't seem to be able to change on any great scale and capitalism will continue to run its course. The further it goes the worse we'll get. The problem is that the violence will probably be against each other. Speculation ofc. But not too far fetched. I mean, they want it that way. That's how they get to go full authoritarian.
 

DannyL

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The documentary might make me think how unlikely this seems - due to phones etc. Portable surveillance. That was the kind of unspoken message or at least my takeaway from it.
 

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Bamber Clatscoigne
Yes, the kids whipped out their phones to capture the light show at the end, and killed it, put the brakes on direct line experience. They all conceded that you can't dance like nobody's looking because the whole world is hungry for memebait.

Luka will get his violent insurrection and seven years of terror when social media is denied to the young
 

DannyL

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I found that the strangest and most disturbing aspect of it. Wondering if we've really lost something huge with the retreat into online life. All that cultural vibrancy disappeared, popped off into the ether.


Tbh I don't think we need more raves we need more riots. Pure chaos kicking off till they throw us all in jail. That's the counter culture I want. Massive violent civil unrest.

It's really getting to you isn't it, this birthday?
 
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DannyL

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It is actually making me wonder if the reason we don't see more civil unrest (i.e. around Brexit) is because so much aggression is displaced online. Bit of a weak thesis maybe.
 

thirdform

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patty the old ruling class of high culture and excellence doesn't exist now anymore does it. if anything the middle classes (who are not identical with the capitalist class but are basically breeding grounds for future managers) are all about being hip to pop culture. but as a clearly defined separate sphere of cast they (the capitalist class) don't exist anymore, they just negotiate their interests through *the state* something you could within the conflicts arising struggles find yourself resorting to.

I.E: they exist in the pure capitalist sense today. as an economic abstraction, as a social relation of property and force. they need no virtues, no nefarious plots, nothing like that, individual ruling class members don't have any codes governing their behaviours. funnily enough even the remnants of our aristocracy are losing their cast positions are becoming bohemian malcontents.
 
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