In other words I fear the worst even though the best is possible. I just don't think we have the leadership to make it happen.Very worried about the (almost certainly) upcoming election. I feel that in the country there is a majority to stop brexit and that the majority of people do want to keep out the hard right but infighting and uselessness, along with the way that the election confusingly mixes brexit with other issues, is going to result in the Tories in power for the next five years, able to deliver their evil agenda and the worst possible brexit. I think it's possible that Labour and Libs may get more seats than the Tories but I just don't trust the LDs - either party really - to do the right thing and join to fight the Tory scourge. Frightening and frustrating times.
"Do not mention that European Referendum topic, whatever it was called" - haha!Tweet here that's allegedly Labour strategy
Takeaways are they've given up on Scottish Labour. "Soft pedal on Lib Dems' - future coalition govt headed atcha. Funny to see 'em acknowledge the glorious leader is toxic on the doorstep
1. negotiate soft brexit maintaining customs union and access to single marketThe Brexit stance - incoherent to say the least.
Corbyn resisted calls for a second referendum tooth and nail, and then, after grudgingly accepted it, has fought tooth and nail against putting Remain as an option. Even now he openly contradicts his own cabinet members whenever one of them makes any kind of statement about Labour possibly, maybe, somehow, supporting remaining in the EU. So the party's official position is "neutral" regarding the greatest act of national self-harm in modern history, to which the vast majority of Labour MPs, members and voters are very clearly opposed.1. negotiate soft brexit maintaining customs union and access to single market
2. put it to a confirmatory referendum with remain as the alternative option
dunno why people find that difficult to understand
Sounds about right.Yeah it's not like the internal negotiations to arrive at that haven't been fucking fraught.
I don't trust Corbyn not to completely undermine any ref should he get in. It'll just be "too difficult" for whatever reason.
Can this possibly be true? That the Tories will let the amendments make them cancel the election bill after begging for one for so long? That will make them look like even bigger cunts.Joe Pike
Bumped into Dominic Cummings.
Me: Ready for the campaign Mr Cummings?
DC: We’re not going to have one.
DC: They’ll vote for EU citizens and we’ll have to pull it.
"the greatest act of national self-harm" etc is sheer hyperbole. But certainly most of Labour would prefer remain.So the party's official position is "neutral" regarding the greatest act of national self-harm in modern history, to which the vast majority of Labour MPs, members and voters are very clearly opposed.
Probably. But the point is that the country is completely divided on Brexit. Taking a definite position, as per the Tories or LibDems, means effectively saying fuck what half the country thinks. (Though actual LibDem policy seems to change every day.) Labour is therefore "neutral" in the sense of giving people a meaningful choice. Rather than Brexit (any Brexit) vs. Remain (as in the original referendum): a specific harm-reduction Brexit vs. Remain. (You could do the same with Tory maddog Brexit vs. Remain, but the Tories wouldn't agree to that. Nor would most of Labour probably.) In the event of a second vote along those lines, Labour would doubtless campaign to remain, and most Labour voters would vote to remain, as we did last time. Labour isn't the problem here.it is quite clear that even a so-called soft Brexit (...) is going to harm the economy and cause job losses.
Bollocks. You just don't like Corbyn.I don't trust Corbyn not to completely undermine any ref should he get in. It'll just be "too difficult" for whatever reason.