Election incoming
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Mr. Tea
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Hard to see any result for Labour other than a total wipe-out. Corbyn's army will no doubt both blame this on Ziono-Blairite wreckers and hail it as some great (moral) victory.
SNP will own Scotland again. I can see the Greens maybe taking another seat or two in England, as the only unequivocally anti-Brexit left-wing party to vote for. I suppose a few people will vote Lib Dem out of sheer desperation, but I still think they're too tainted by the coalition and there's very little love for Swinson among Labour voters, I think, even those who oppose Corbyn and Brexit.
Among Tory voters, the inmates are quite clearly now running the asylum, so I can't see Johnson's failure to bring the country out of the EU (or to achieve anything else) actually doing him much harm. It's like Trump's wall: never mind whether it ever actually gets built or if it works, it's the idea of it, the image, that's important to his base.
Edit: seems LDs have a fairly large chunk of support, actually: https://britainelects.com/polling/westminster/
SNP will own Scotland again. I can see the Greens maybe taking another seat or two in England, as the only unequivocally anti-Brexit left-wing party to vote for. I suppose a few people will vote Lib Dem out of sheer desperation, but I still think they're too tainted by the coalition and there's very little love for Swinson among Labour voters, I think, even those who oppose Corbyn and Brexit.
Among Tory voters, the inmates are quite clearly now running the asylum, so I can't see Johnson's failure to bring the country out of the EU (or to achieve anything else) actually doing him much harm. It's like Trump's wall: never mind whether it ever actually gets built or if it works, it's the idea of it, the image, that's important to his base.
Edit: seems LDs have a fairly large chunk of support, actually: https://britainelects.com/polling/westminster/
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The thing that makes me think Lab might do it -
all those ex-Lab won't vote/don't knows coming back as they've nowhere else to go
Genuinely popular policies - NHS etc
Most LD target seats are Tory, plus SNP have Scotland stitched up
Brexit betrayal seeing Tory voters go to Brexit party.
Against:
Low turnout as people are so fucked off with all of 'em
Failure to reach any swing seats
The Brexit stance - incoherent to say the least.
Genuinely don't know which way to call it. I do think the gap will fall once Corbyn gets back to his natural home, behind a megaphone shouting at the Tories. Not that I'm any more keen on him, I just think the chances of him losing big are overstated.
all those ex-Lab won't vote/don't knows coming back as they've nowhere else to go
Genuinely popular policies - NHS etc
Most LD target seats are Tory, plus SNP have Scotland stitched up
Brexit betrayal seeing Tory voters go to Brexit party.
Against:
Low turnout as people are so fucked off with all of 'em
Failure to reach any swing seats
The Brexit stance - incoherent to say the least.
Genuinely don't know which way to call it. I do think the gap will fall once Corbyn gets back to his natural home, behind a megaphone shouting at the Tories. Not that I'm any more keen on him, I just think the chances of him losing big are overstated.
Mr. Tea
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subvert47
I don't fight, I run away
1. negotiate soft brexit maintaining customs union and access to single market
2. put it to a confirmatory referendum with remain as the alternative option
dunno why people find that difficult to understand
1. respects the result of the original referendum (and is essentially what Starmer & Corbyn spent two years doing)
2. gives people the chance to say sod the whole thing (which a lot of Labour people would certainly campaign for)
Mr. Tea
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1. negotiate soft brexit maintaining customs union and access to single market
2. put it to a confirmatory referendum with remain as the alternative option
dunno why people find that difficult to understand
Corbyn resisted calls for a second referendum tooth and nail, and then, after grudgingly accepted it, has fought tooth and nail against putting Remain as an option. Even now he openly contradicts his own cabinet members whenever one of them makes any kind of statement about Labour possibly, maybe, somehow, supporting remaining in the EU. So the party's official position is "neutral" regarding the greatest act of national self-harm in modern history, to which the vast majority of Labour MPs, members and voters are very clearly opposed.
And yet the barmy army still insist Corbyn "isn't a Brexiter". That is what is difficult to understand.
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Mr. Tea
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subvert47
I don't fight, I run away
"the greatest act of national self-harm" etc is sheer hyperbole. But certainly most of Labour would prefer remain.
Probably. But the point is that the country is completely divided on Brexit. Taking a definite position, as per the Tories or LibDems, means effectively saying fuck what half the country thinks. (Though actual LibDem policy seems to change every day.) Labour is therefore "neutral" in the sense of giving people a meaningful choice. Rather than Brexit (any Brexit) vs. Remain (as in the original referendum): a specific harm-reduction Brexit vs. Remain. (You could do the same with Tory maddog Brexit vs. Remain, but the Tories wouldn't agree to that. Nor would most of Labour probably.) In the event of a second vote along those lines, Labour would doubtless campaign to remain, and most Labour voters would vote to remain, as we did last time. Labour isn't the problem here.
Bollocks. You just don't like Corbyn.
subvert47
I don't fight, I run away
No. It's slightly more complicated than yes or no. But you'd have to be a complete moron not to understand it.