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We had a presentation at work from a microbiologist last week, she did a great job of taking us thru the various vaccine types. An attenuated viral vaccine leaves room for problems but most other types are bits and pieces, entirely synthetic or tran-species, so it's hard to see how it could make a viral infection worse, barring bad intentions.
 

yyaldrin

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wouldn't it be possible for the virus to become resistant to the vaccine and evolve into an even more complex virus? i don't know if this is what washyouhands means?
 

Mr. Tea

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wouldn't it be possible for the virus to become resistant to the vaccine and evolve into an even more complex virus? i don't know if this is what washyouhands means?
That can happen with antibiotics and bacteria, sure, because antibiotics kill bacteria. But vaccines don't work by killing pathogens.
 

mixed_biscuits

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Two things I've read:
- flu vaccination for the last season is associated with worse Covid outcomes
- vaccines can worsen outcomes for other viruses (so, similar to the above, I guess)

Conspiracy: the upcoming demographically differentiated flu vaccines are set up to interact differently with the next Covidesque creation.
 

Mr. Tea

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btw why are children being mass-vaccinated against flu atm? Aren't they at very low risk?
From the first Google result for "flu vaccine children":

"The children's flu vaccine is safe and effective. It's offered every year as a nasal spray to children to help protect them against flu.

Flu is caused by a virus. It can be a very unpleasant illness for children. It can also lead to serious problems, such as bronchitis and pneumonia.

Children spread flu easily. Vaccinating them also protects others who are vulnerable to flu, such as babies and older people."

Probably part of a vile communist plot to eradicate white people, in other words.
 

Mr. Tea

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Attempts to link a thing that *saves* lives to some diabolical plot to *reduce* the population are pretty much up there with "global cooling" in the headline acts of far-right idiocy.
 

luka

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Attempts to link a thing that *saves* lives to some diabolical plot to *reduce* the population are pretty much up there with "global cooling" in the headline acts of far-right idiocy.

my cousin was telling me we are entering a period of global cooling just yestwrday!
 

luka

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Haha that is not what i claimed. Very amusing though. I remember i claimed manmade climate change was fake. You told me friend was an expert who said that was wrong (you also provided some data). I was either incapable or not interested enough at the time to understand the science and ended up just assuming your friend was right.

But yeah I am pretty sure manmade warming is another hoax. There's the climate gate emails and I think we haven't had any warming for a couple of decades. There is fantastically strong evidence that cosmic rays have a very strong effect on temperature. (The reason i say it is so very strong is that the correlation is there for at least many hundreds of millions of years. Proxies fir temperature showing and effect from whether the solar system is inside one of the spiral arms of the galaxy or outside). Cosmic rays are effected by the activity of the sun. We have entered a new Grand Solar minimun (not in dispute) which will cause cooling from now (this claim is not mainstream as many claim that co² will outstrip the effects of the grand solar minimum).

Just so we are clear, I have not done much fact checking on this so will not claim anywhere near the level of certainty as I have about the non lethality of covid for the general population. Covid is very simple numbers, many of which I have access to, so there is no reason for any educated person to doubt the covid situation. (I do want to stress that point. I think the argument could be made that it is a moral duty to get clear on the covid numbers).

I would appreciate any data on agw. I have not made much progress getting data.

As you willguess, it was the dismay i felt at the covid hoax that made me open once again to the idea when I happened upon it. It is very interesting to review what I thought was known. There is a worryjng degree of fear mongering, tendency ti ignore more immediate environmental problems, an incredible impotence necessarily associated with agw, worrying rhotoric such as the reprehensible phrase 'scientific consensus ' and much else to be concerned about with this story.
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