Early Rolling Stones Masterpieces

[craner]

I used to love 'Sticky Fingers'.

My aunt has the original vinyl, with the proper zip on the Warhol cover. At least, I hope she still has it.

 

[Corpsey]

I learned about him reading that Nick Kent book recently. The contention in that essay was that Jagger/Richards nicked all the badboy moves/persona off Jones, who was genuinely a bastard.

 

[craner]

Another thing, an ex-girlfriend had a mate whose parents owned Cotchford Farm. She grew up swimming in the famous swimming pool of death.

 

[Corpsey]

I think it's so hard to judge even the music of the beatles/stones when you didn't grow up in the 60s. The radicalism of it. A lot of it sounds corny or like old hat now which at the time must have sounded exciting/terrifying to people at the time.

The stones now seem so far removed from being dangerous that it's hard to imagine they ever were considered as such.

 

[craner]

I learned about him reading that Nick Kent book recently. The contention in that essay was that Jagger/Richards nicked all the badboy moves/persona off Jones, who was genuinely a bastard.

Keith Richards likes to say that the main reason he ended up with Anita Pallenberg was because Jones constantly beat the crap out of her and she was terrified of him.

 

[Corpsey]

One thing that does come across from that time is jagger's sex appeal. Is it cos he is androgynous? I don't exactly fancy him but I can see why women would. He has the face of a horny faun.

 

[craner]

Mick Jagger reading Shelly (with his honking estuary vowels and cavernous glottal stops) in tribute to Jones at the Hyde Park concert is both hilariously funny and grimly hypocritical.

 

[craner]

I think it's so hard to judge even the music of the beatles/stones when you didn't grow up in the 60s. The radicalism of it. A lot of it sounds corny or like old hat now which at the time must have sounded exciting/terrifying to people at the time.

The stones now seem so far removed from being dangerous that it's hard to imagine they ever were considered as such.

Exile on Main Street still sounds amazing.

 

[Corpsey]

Exile on Main Street still sounds amazing.

But it doesn't sound like something parents would get concerned about. That was my (obvious and boring) point.

I really like that 'Bitch' one off Sticky Fingers. And Wild Horses.

I was going to say what's cringeworthy about it now is Jagger putting on that accent but then I realised that I've just been reading about Bob Dylan and how he made up his hick accent and nobody cringes at that afaik.

 

[Leo]

Another thing, an ex-girlfriend had a mate whose parents owned Cotchford Farm. She grew up swimming in the famous swimming pool of death.

 

[luka]

Dylan doesn't sound like he's doing bad karaoke in a dartford pub though, Jagger does.

 

[woops]

i listened to bobs latest song the other day and he seems to abandoned that whining act

 

[luka]

Is it about Walt Whitman?

 

[woops]

ha, yes and it's also about beethoven and chopin, bob's spiritual predecessors.

 

[WashYourHands]

Funny seeing parental tastes echoed. Both the Stones & The Beatles are my Mum’s musical shrine. She doesn’t differentiate, they regularly get played. First few lp’s with Decca have a lot of alright covers, mixed in with people still learning their craft.

Elbow bump for the Godstar post. BJ’s Joujouka lp still sounds good, even if outside thread parameters.

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

One thing that does come across from that time is jagger's sex appeal

I mean yeah he was beautiful. as well as the literal living embodiment of "youth", youth culture, etc

all the appeal of being the embodiment of the very thing which old people by definition cannot get.

also: progenitor of the proud British tradition of rock frontmen who everyone just accepts can't really sing.

 

[luka]

He's alive!

 

[Corpsey]

I mean yeah he was beautiful. as well as the literal living embodiment of "youth", youth culture, etc

all the appeal of being the embodiment of the very thing which old people by definition cannot get.

also: progenitor of the proud British tradition of rock frontmen who everyone just accepts can't really sing.

welcome back

and

There's something about Jagger being unable to sing which totally fits with that band's louche personas and countercultural attitude. Like you'd have to be a really unhip square to be bothered about hitting notes.

Is it in your book Woebot that you talk about how Lennon was one of the first British singers if not THE first who sounded British? Before him you had someone like Cliff Richard who was still doing the American Elvisisms.

 

[Corpsey]

Mick Jagger reading Shelly (with his honking estuary vowels and cavernous glottal stops) in tribute to Jones at the Hyde Park concert is both hilariously funny and grimly hypocritical.

When you hear him speak it punctures that sex appeal pretty quickly. :crylarf:

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

it is true early Stones you can't away from Jones

I didn't know that stuff about him beating up Pallenberg (I did know he fathered a bunch of kids by different women, etc)

but leaving that aside for a moment, he's a totemic-cult figure in a way Jagger/Richards never could be

both the the only "authentic" one (in the way Dennis Wilson was the only "authentic" beach boy) and the agent of chaos

also the driving figure in the earliest days and the one most identifiable with Stones as white London rnb

it's not mistake that after his diminishment they become boring ersatz American root rock or however Woebot put it in the OP