Hipsterdom

luka

Well-known member
Staff member
we got switched over onto the simulation. this is established fact now. everyone knows it.
 

Slothrop

Tight but Polite
There was a point, maybe in the mid 2000s, where it identified a more-or-less distinctive cultural bloc - like, under 25, low budget, Vice magazine, self-consciously trashy, in the loop on dance music but not committed to any one scene, different dressing-up-box charity shop fashion every week.

But now it indiscriminately covers everything from basically that through to sensibly-dressed 30-something freelancers getting their regular soy latte and sourdough toast while unthreatening cool jazz plays in the background, and it basically means whatever people want it to mean to prove the point they were going to make anyway.
 

craner

Beast of Burden
Luke and I had a good friend who exclusively hung out with hipsters in the Shoreditch area, apart from us. She used to get so hung up on keeping up with those idiots to the point that it would cause her anxiety and stress, but she never felt like that with us. We could never understand the fatal allure of the hipster for her or what weird emotional yearning drove her towards them against her better instincts and character. Apart from anything else, they were boring. They weren't thick, they had two forms of intelligence:

1) a social awareness that could determine within seconds of meeting either Luke or myself that we had no social or professional utility for them and we were therefore the human equivalent of dust, and

2) the ability to absorb enough cultural references points and intellectual tools to hold the correct conversation in the correct circles or secure the requisite employment opportunity in the culture industry, or whatever, but without that being a creative or original intellectual or artistic ability as such.

These people are boring and dead behind the eyes but without the wit or self-awareness to recognize it. We found them fascinating for this reason, but she found them attractive, and that's what we could not understand. It was like self-abuse.
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
Staff member
The interesting thing about them is that they treated their lives like an Instagram account before there was Instragram, and now there is Instagram they are too hip to use it.
They've probably started an ironic MySpace revival by now.
 

Leo

Well-known member
it's funny when you encounter hipsters mixed into a group setting and express disinterest or skepticism in things they prioritize. their initial reaction is dismissiveness, as Craner says they've determined you don't have anything to offer them. but then as time goes on and you continue to gently push back and not fall for their bullshit, the veneer starts to fade and they tend to become self-conscious and uncomfortable. they're so accustomed to their hipster echo chamber, the nonstop positive reenforcement on their views/tastes/interests, that they're thrown all out of whack when they don't get it.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
You know O'Henry, American writer who does kinda cheesey short stories? There is one where this guy hears the phrase "man about town" and he wants to know who is one of them, so he goes to every bar asking and then he gets knocked down by a tram or something, wakes up in hospital and sees the newspaper with a headline about how this "man about town" has been hospitalized by a tram... 'man about town' means hipster doesn't it?
 

constant escape

winter withered, warm
There was a point, maybe in the mid 2000s, where it identified a more-or-less distinctive cultural bloc - like, under 25, low budget, Vice magazine, self-consciously trashy, in the loop on dance music but not committed to any one scene, different dressing-up-box charity shop fashion every week.

But now it indiscriminately covers everything from basically that through to sensibly-dressed 30-something freelancers getting their regular soy latte and sourdough toast while unthreatening cool jazz plays in the background, and it basically means whatever people want it to mean to prove the point they were going to make anyway.

Could this be that A) what was once a marginal, more or less distinct hipster culture has become normative, and yet B) the normative usage of the term "hipster" is still pejorative/dismissive?

In hindsight, I probably should have dug for the existing threads.
 

constant escape

winter withered, warm
You know O'Henry, American writer who does kinda cheesey short stories? There is one where this guy hears the phrase "man about town" and he wants to know who is one of them, so he goes to every bar asking and then he gets knocked down by a tram or something, wakes up in hospital and sees the newspaper with a headline about how this "man about town" has been hospitalized by a tram... 'man about town' means hipster doesn't it?
Maybe this is just my take, but I hear "man about town" as someone who has made impressions, however pettily, on enough people to allow for this someone to crop up in enough conversations for it to become a thing.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
I took it to be a dilettante who doesn't recognise that in himself - surely one (edit - two in fact) of the most important hipster traits.
 
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suspendedreason

Well-known member
Luke and I had a good friend who exclusively hung out with hipsters in the Shoreditch area, apart from us. She used to get so hung up on keeping up with those idiots to the point that it would cause her anxiety and stress, but she never felt like that with us. We could never understand the fatal allure of the hipster for her or what weird emotional yearning drove her towards them against her better instincts and character. Apart from anything else, they were boring. They weren't thick, they had two forms of intelligence:

1) a social awareness that could determine within seconds of meeting either Luke or myself that we had no social or professional utility for them and we were therefore the human equivalent of dust, and

2) the ability to absorb enough cultural references points and intellectual tools to hold the correct conversation in the correct circles or secure the requisite employment opportunity in the culture industry, or whatever, but without that being a creative or original intellectual or artistic ability as such.

These people are boring and dead behind the eyes but without the wit or self-awareness to recognize it. We found them fascinating for this reason, but she found them attractive, and that's what we could not understand. It was like self-abuse.

Being treated like dust, or being constantly in danger of being treated like dust, is a more common fetish than one might imagine.
 

constant escape

winter withered, warm
Being treated like dust, or being constantly in danger of being treated like dust, is a more common fetish than one might imagine.
Yeah it implies that whoever is treating you like dust must be on some higher wavelength, with higher standards, and maybe some of that highness will rub off, no? Not that this is necessarily what runs through our mind, but rather its just a rational interpretation of survival/reproduction tactics.
 

Simon silverdollarcircle

Well-known member
I predict the next fad will be people proudly proclaiming themselves to be hipsters. Deeply self identifying with it. Embracing the rich history of hipsterdom as their birthright. That's only true hipster move left now. The distanced jaundiced "I'm not a hipster, everyone else is" is the mass consciousness that the true hipster must differentiate themselves from

So, Shiels is the future, as the pioneering hipster apologist
 

constant escape

winter withered, warm
Has hipsterism succeeding in spreading any awareness (or pretend but effective awareness) of environmental, or otherwise ethical, issues? Have any worthwhile or impactful values been coded into the hipster handbook?
 

constant escape

winter withered, warm
On the other hand, have any "problematic" or otherwise harmful tendencies been factored into the hipster identity? The hipster as urban "endocolonialist", in terms of gentrification?
 
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