New R&B

[Leo]

I've evolved from being interested in checking out sault (due to the media/hipster hype) to not caring for sault to actively disliking sault. they now annoy me, for most of the reasons you mentioned @rubberdingyrapids but also because of the pitchfork fanboy element.

 

[rubberdingyrapids]

they have good marketing/presentation (well i mean, as far as being pretty simple/borderline non existent is presentation) but yeah, a lot of journalists seem a bit too eager to accept sault's claims and mission statement and general package. i havent really heard enough of it to really comment properly but theres something a bit self serious/stiff/studied/actually quite bland about them.

i did hear this the other day though and thought it was good -

id rather listen to the last tirzah album tbh (pretty diff, but actually the kind of thing i thought hipsters would like more, but then theres a lot of post-BLM posturing and performative listening going on these days). that might be my fave album of the last few years.

 

[rubberdingyrapids]

I'm not a big one for R&B, in fact, more often than not I hate it. But @Leo posted in the Tune of The Day (Redux) thread that thing with someone reworking Mary J Blige on top of an almost ebm type beat and I loved it. I'm not asking people to do my work for me here (I am) but I'd love to hear more of this kinda bleepy robosoul type stuff which is almost like a cross between electro and r&b or ebm and r&b, or perhaps even acid - stuff I could mix into dark, heavy druggy electro (as discussed in the Drvg Cvltvre thread) to inject a surprising moment of FUN into a set.

When I ask these questions I have something quite elusive in mind, I know there is loads of house with a soulful vocal but I suppose I need more from r&b than just the vocal. Or maybe, with that MJB bootleg part of what I liked was the tension between the vocal not being meant to go with that beat. I dunno really, I think I'll know it when I hear it though, so, hit me with some bangers of this nature and I will be very grateful to you.

I seem to have it in my mind that there was one by Martyn Bootyspoon that fit the bill perfectly but I can't remember which track it was now....

semi footwork/juke mix from gantman:

 

[pattycakes_]

I've evolved from being interested in checking out sault (due to the media/hipster hype) to not caring for sault to actively disliking sault. they now annoy me, for most of the reasons you mentioned @rubberdingyrapids but also because of the pitchfork fanboy element.

Never checked Sault. Could smell what was cooking based on the way people were talking about it

 

[thirdform]

not an r&b track, just r&b vocals, over electro/bleepy beats. listen to the mary k Blige edit I posted earlier (below) that rich is using as a reference.

the appeal of stuff like this utterly mystifies me. it always ends up sounding like half finished electro.

 

[thirdform]

What about r&b acid though? Wouldn't even need to change the beats just put some cool noises in there... surely that's been done, surely?

 

[thirdform]

See I don't know what that is...

How don't you know about this stuff mate? staple sunday morning london radio muzzik.

 

[luka]

its terrible. not even the well written kind of glossy, fawning, vapid celeb profile writing. but i never read vogue so no clue if this is normal. cant be though.

this is her new song btw

i dont like beyonce at all she does my head in but i love this its great

 

[Leo]

amazing track of course but it's classic electro/freestyle, too pop for what we're looking for.

 

[luka]

I'm not a big one for R&B, in fact, more often than not I hate it. But @Leo posted in the Tune of The Day (Redux) thread that thing with someone reworking Mary J Blige on top of an almost ebm type beat and I loved it. I'm not asking people to do my work for me here (I am) but I'd love to hear more of this kinda bleepy robosoul type stuff which is almost like a cross between electro and r&b or ebm and r&b, or perhaps even acid - stuff I could mix into dark, heavy druggy electro (as discussed in the Drvg Cvltvre thread) to inject a surprising moment of FUN into a set.

When I ask these questions I have something quite elusive in mind, I know there is loads of house with a soulful vocal but I suppose I need more from r&b than just the vocal. Or maybe, with that MJB bootleg part of what I liked was the tension between the vocal not being meant to go with that beat. I dunno really, I think I'll know it when I hear it though, so, hit me with some bangers of this nature and I will be very grateful to you.

I seem to have it in my mind that there was one by Martyn Bootyspoon that fit the bill perfectly but I can't remember which track it was now....

this is the archetype really

 

[thirdform]

 

[thirdform]

amazing track of course but it's classic electro/freestyle, too pop for what we're looking for.

rnb is pop?

 

[luka]

the ciara stuff is all electroid

 

[luka]

if you dont like this you dont like music and youre a weirdo

 

[Leo]

How don't you know about this stuff mate? staple sunday morning london radio muzzik.

again, great stuff but not what we're looking for

rnb is pop?

those tracks you posted are way pop, they were top 40 hits, yeah.

 

[Leo]

the ciara stuff is all electroid

THIS is more like it, thank you luka. third, this is more in line with what we want.

 

[thirdform]

that was a top 40 hit!

 

[thirdform]

you lot are bloody confusing me tonight.

 

[Benny Bunter]

I was gonna say in reply to rich, why not garage? (I don't even know at an IBM beat sounds like. Really)

If you want something that can mix with electro and is also proper rnb (via Atlanta/Miami bass) and fun, why not have a go on something like this?

 

[Benny Bunter]

If you want rnb plus electro beats plus fun I'd check out So So Def Allstars