Don DeLillo

Corpsey

call me big papa
I hated 'Disgrace' by JM Coetzee and forced myself through it, but it's only about 300 pages.

Sometimes its actually fascinating reading a book you hate.

I recently started reading a book about Shakespeare and the author quotes some of his rubbishy contemporaries, and it really brings how good Shakespeare was/is into focus.
 

luka

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Did you actually read an 800 page novel you hated?
I did. Mysterious. very uncharacteristic. See if you can find the opening page online. It's staggering. Nothing will ever be that bad again. It's a kind of degree zero.
 

Corpsey

call me big papa
He speaks in your voice, American, and there’s a shine in his eye that’s halfway hopeful. It’s a school day, sure, but he’s nowhere near the classroom. He wants to be here instead, standing in the shadow of this old rust-hulk of a structure, and it’s hard to blame him—this metropolis of steel and concrete and flaky paint and cropped grass and enormous Chesterfield packs aslant on the scoreboards, a couple of cigarettes jutting from each. Longing on a large scale is what makes history. This is just a kid with a local yearning but he is part of an assembling crowd, anonymous thousands off the buses and trains, people in narrow columns tramping over the swing bridge above the river, and even if they are not a migration or a revolution, some vast shaking of the soul, they bring with them the body heat of a great city and their own small reveries and desperations, the unseen something that haunts the day—men in fedoras and sailors on shore leave, the stray tumble of their thoughts,
 

version

Who loves ya, baby?
The opening's usually considered the best bit, it was published in Harper's as Pafko at the Wall then ended up being worked into the book.
 

luka

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That's even clumsier and dopier than I remembered it being. This was received rapturously by the critics . Astonishing
 

luka

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It came out the same year as the rings of Saturn, not a terrible book actually. Both got the most hyperbolic reviews I've ever seen so I read both of them. I was 18 or 19 probably, too old to be listening to critics but I was a late developer.
 

Corpsey

call me big papa
I like the incursion of

longing on a large scale is what makes history

The dopey tone I would expect to derive from the schoolskipping kid.

I'm willing (I think) to read an 800 page Ulysses but not an 800 page underworld.
 

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Who loves ya, baby?
DeLillo’s Count Chocula

We think Bram Stoker, Bela Legosi, Transylvania. Dark, foreboding castles. Coffins, fangs, mirrors without reflections. Bats flying in moonlight, creating archetypal shadows. Punctured necks and heaving bosoms. The townspeople assemble, demand vengeance.

“To kill the vampire,” the mayor says. “To return to normal.”

“Humans versus monsters,” agrees the blacksmith.

A bar wench says, “The destruction the different. The restoration of the status quo.”


The burlapped mob, moving as one body, winds up the mountain. A crowd, a mass, a flock. They arrive armed with pitchforks and burning torches; garlic and holy water; crosses and sharpened stakes. Talismans of a long dead science.

The monster is defeated, as monsters are. Screams, curses, blood. The sad, victorious dawn.

And now this chocolately cereal. Crunchy, with marshmallows.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
I've read losds of books I hate. I always try and get to the end. Imagine if the last chapter, page or line redeems it somehow. In the case of Underworld imagine if it finished "Oh, by the way, ignore everything preceding this, in fact pretend I wrote the exact opposite of every line, then you will learn so much". Like that famous job interview test they used to give us at school which began "Read to the end before doing anything" and then asked you to do really stupid things. Imagine how radical that would be - has it ever been done? Then again if Underworld finished "and then I woke up and it was all a dream" would have been better.
 

luka

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I group it with Terrence Malick. A specifically American stupidity. impotent dry humping. Bathetic.
 

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I thought The Black Dahlia was good, but went on a bit too long. The killer was also completely ridiculous.
 

luka

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I thought The Black Dahlia was good, but went on a bit too long. The killer was also completely ridiculous.
All the early ones are ridiculous in one way or another. I remember one having a trained killer wolverine in it lol
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
I'm with you on Terrence Malick, did a couple of good films and fucked off for ages. When he came back he was a legend and everyone pretended they liked the comeback film which was just about ok I guess. After that every film got worse and worse - and when you consider that The New World was (at the time) one of the worst films I'd ever seen that means he really lowered the bar....
James Ellroy I've barely read but the ones I have are great. Is it common knowledge that his style came out of the fact that he'd gone massively over the word count but really didn't want to change the plot so he just cut words out of every sentence with the result that they became terser, sharper, more urgent. A happy accident but he had the brains to capitalise.
 
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