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thirdform

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crowley dj scud knew what i was on about populist avant-garde noise. did he ever post here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EP5h92pQp-E

u take tunes like this, remove the happy pianos but keep its ecstatic surge forward.

this is the way to read hardcore continuum not some first year sociology essay. sociology is bourgeois anyway, like economics its a totally capitalist discipline. don't even think about radicalising it.
 

thirdform

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come on blissblogger, defend urself, bruv! you know my reading of hardcore continuum is right this is why deep tech is not hardcore continuum its too static. hardcore continuum ended with grime and bassline in north.

vocal garage was adult jungle. dubstep was adult techstep. old people don't even listen to good music anyway they can have liquid funk or whatever.
 
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luka

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the journey is from the centre to the limit and back again typically. that's usually been the model
as opposed to continuing on one trajectory forever. there seems to be a point where you can't have more, at least not yet. that is the reason the zone of fruitless intenstification is a real and genuine limit as opposed to a fear limit or an aesthetic limit. what is the right dose? neither too much nor too little.
 

luka

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that's why the second radio show i did was the return, the earthing. you can make a strong rhetorical case against it but in practice I'm not so sure. all these things are a matter to be worked out through the course of a life, experientially, in any case, and all the answers thus far are provisional.
 

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i think of attatchment theory in relation to this. how far can you go before the urge to return to mummy-milky-tit?
 

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it's also the struggle between the furthest reaches and the centre. balance and extremities.
 

luka

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a very large society can contain people really leaning into their imbalances. can produce and sustain mutant bodybuilders and asocial eggheads. these freaks discover the outer reaches of particular potentials at the cost of imbalance and the atrophy of other attributes.
 

thirdform

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the journey is from the centre to the limit and back again typically. that's usually been the model
as opposed to continuing on one trajectory forever. there seems to be a point where you can't have more, at least not yet. that is the reason the zone of fruitless intenstification is a real and genuine limit as opposed to a fear limit or an aesthetic limit. what is the right dose? neither too much nor too little.
I'm all about too much I want people to have a nostic experience of sound in the club but not in the happy clappy way. I want people to think they've reached higher dimensions.
 

thirdform

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that's why the second radio show i did was the return, the earthing. you can make a strong rhetorical case against it but in practice I'm not so sure. all these things are a matter to be worked out through the course of a life, experientially, in any case, and all the answers thus far are provisional.
i can make a case for my view in dj mix form but i don't have decks atm and i need at least 3.
 

luka

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the ZFI is an acknowledgement of the inescapable, if dreary, fact that there is a cut-off switch.
 

luka

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where that limit is, at what point on any given trajectory, will vary from person to person, and for the individual, will vary from moment to moment, day to day, year to year.

the cut-off point can be moved, can be extended. you can learn to stay there longer. but you can't, to the best of my knowledge, and again these are limits to be established experientially, override the cut-out switch entirely and forever. speaking for myself, i run up against limits.
so for example on thursday and friday i recognised a very rare opportunity to travel a very long distance. unusually i had people on each ocassion to facilitate my experience and to act as ground.
so i took a largish amount of drugs and i landed maybe the biggest fish of my career as a result.

i know i was strong enough and lucid enough, at that time, and had the right circumstances in place, to pull it off. but if i were to take drugs now, at this juncture, either nothing would happen, or something very bad would happen. there is nothing left to give. im running on empty as far as that goes.
that is the zone of fruitless intensification. there's no blood in the stone.
 

luka

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if i were to try and push further, from this much weaker base, i would get lost in the multiples, or i would be banished out side of the circle, or i would get very ill, or depressed.

it's the science of life. there is a sweet spot and a biting point. there's play in that, a back and forth and so on. there's give, but only within limits. too much in one direction and it's force. you cant break the doors down. you cant storm the gates of heaven.
 

thirdform

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if i were to try and push further, from this much weaker base, i would get lost in the multiples, or i would be banished out side of the circle, or i would get very ill, or depressed.

it's the science of life. there is a sweet spot and a biting point. there's play in that, a back and forth and so on. there's give, but only within limits. too much in one direction and it's force. you cant break the doors down. you cant storm the gates of heaven.
demand the impossible tho. all radical politics are about storming the gates of heaven.
 

luka

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force is always the moment at which it's lost. if you overcome to resistance with force youve ruined it. perhaps for generations. you push, of course you push, but not to the point of violence.

impatience will ruin it too. rushing will ruin it. there is a right time and a wrong time. and there is a really right time, and a really wrong time!
gnosis isn't always available like a pack of chewing gum. there is a science and an art to this game. there are rewards and there are punishments. get it wrong and all you end up with is psychic and emotional pain and worst of all, lost time. do you want to win or not?
 

thirdform

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it's a selective process. a process of elimination. I lost a lot of mates after the referendum. it was inevitable and it was right to do so.
 

thirdform

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force is always the moment at which it's lost. if you overcome to resistance with force youve ruined it. perhaps for generations. you push, of course you push, but not to the point of violence.

impatience will ruin it too. rushing will ruin it. there is a right time and a wrong time. and there is a really right time, and a really wrong time!
gnosis isn't always available like a pack of chewing gum. there is a science and an art to this game. there are rewards and there are punishments. get it wrong and all you end up with is psychic and emotional pain and worst of all, lost time. do you want to win or not?
I don't want to win why would i want that I don't exist as an methodological individual do I.

hurters mission innit.
 
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