New Snoop Dogg: Sensual Seduction

[Gavin]

so i am not the only one thinking this.
I like your observations re: latin influence and where it may take US dance music... I am happy to see this evolution.

I think it's also got to do with the increasing power of producers vs. rappers in hip hop: you see more influence of "producer-centric" urban genres like house and freestyle -- I think a good half the new Amerie is straight-up freestyle/electro.

80% of what I hear in my neighborhood is norteno... haven't heard that incorporated into any rap, though it does get the people moving! Actually I think I would love to hear some nu-norteno, as long as it keeps that cheesy high-energy about-to-fly-off-the-tracks feel -- none of that tasteful nortech stuff.

 

[robin]

wow,best usher single since "caught up" i reckon

 

[DJ PIMP]

its the little things that get me in the snoop vid; the way he nails the shoulder wiggle dance... the thumb-lick when he's on the bed wearing a turban.

 

[Tactics]

oh lord

it got quite boring when it was just head noddy and a bit jazzy in the 90s

so your basically discounting a whole bunch of quality hip-hop cos you can't dance to it (even though you still could) lol?

anyway electro, house, grime, rave...this whole worldwide synth movement is still going (how long has it? 4 years or so?) so more tunes like this one will be big

damned sampling lawsuits lol

still don't like it though it seems snoop's just putting out albums for the sake of it...like blue carpet treatment - I don't even remember that one - what was the big tune off of it?

 

[gumdrops]

i'm glad its becoming more clubby, hip hop was always a form that encouraged dancing.
it got quite boring when it was just head noddy and a bit jazzy in the 90s

i love danceable hip hop as much as anyone but head noddy or not, a lot of that was better than a lot of the painfully functional, utterly inane club fare that gets made today.

 

[baboon2004]

the T.I track from last year that samples gypsy woman

What's this? Sounds great.

 

[baboon2004]

anyway electro, house, grime, rave...this whole worldwide synth movement is still going (how long has it? 4 years or so?) so more tunes like this one will be big

I know it's RnB as opposed to hip-hop, but JT's singles have been doing the new hip-house crossover thing for a while now. Can't get much more rave-techy than 'My Love'...

 

[dubble-u-c]

What's this? Sounds great.

T.I Why you wanna

The remix has q tip on it.

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Gavin where do you live that you hear a lot of norteno?

 

[Gavin]

Gavin where do you live that you hear a lot of norteno?

Pilsen, in Chicago. It's about 90% Mexican, has been for at least a generation.

 

[nomadologist]

Totally... it's like Hip Hop's so clubby these days that it's starting to become just a good-times dance genre, which I suppose would open it again to House/Tech elements, tempos... also to Freestyle/Miami/Electro flavas. I've been noticing traces of these vibes emerging for sure, particularly in that kind of latin, Reggaeton/Hip Hop crossover area.... The djs on Hip Hop and Reggaeton stations out here have even been mixing House into their sets lately...

The rise of latin influences in american music will almost no doubt bring more mid tempo into 'street' music channels... shit, maybe the growing Latino presence in the U.S might even cure it of it's dance-phobia...?

Yeah, I like S.S., unremarkable chorus, but I'm digging the influences...

Yeah, this is what gets ignored about hip-hop a lot on here--its ten years or more as a straight up subgenre of POP...

I like the Snoop song and concept a whole lot, but I do think the production is kind of dissatisfyingly thin on it. The reference points for this are more disco and Prince than Chicago house tho I'd say...

 

[Chris]

Yeah, this is what gets ignored about hip-hop a lot on here--its ten years or more as a straight up subgenre of POP...

I like the Snoop song and concept a whole lot, but I do think the production is kind of dissatisfyingly thin on it. The reference points for this are more disco and Prince than Chicago house tho I'd say...

Yeah... hey, it's crowd-pleasing music... that's where Hip Hop and House really converge, both use their more innovative aspects for the sole purpose of rocking the dancefloor...

I guess there was already a plundering of Rave and Electro in Hip Hop earlier in the decade, but where I'm seeing the potential for more House and Freestyle crossover right now is in current Hip Hop's straight up cheesiness and artificiality. Which sucks on one hand, but it can also lead to shameless rule-breaking, and sometimes I think people need to stop holding on to all those bullshit rules and stances in regards to what's "real" (as if there is such a thing) and become "paradigm pirates" (an idea I'm intrigued by not for it's "religious" associations but for it's creative potential), that's the attitude for real innovation I think.

 

[dubble-u-c]

Yeah, this is what gets ignored about hip-hop a lot on here--its ten years or more as a straight up subgenre of POP...

I like the Snoop song and concept a whole lot, but I do think the production is kind of dissatisfyingly thin on it. The reference points for this are more disco and Prince than Chicago house tho I'd say...

The reference points were prob Prince for the producer but those pads are straight up larry heard style deep house.

Prince was influenced a bit by chicago house wasn't he?

 

[dubble-u-c]

Pilsen, in Chicago. It's about 90% Mexican, has been for at least a generation.

ah ... that explains the music in your hood. i hear bit of norteno here in san jose as well.

 

[machine hugger]

In California, I believe, Norteno is more gang affiliated, not really much a musical term.

 

[dubble-u-c]

In California, I believe, Norteno is more gang affiliated, not really much a musical term.

I think it can be applied to the music and the gangs where we live

vato
lol

 

[hint]

The reference points were prob Prince for the producer but those pads are straight up larry heard style deep house.

These sounds are creeping into Hip Hop because these are the sounds that come as presets on the popular keyboards / workstations that most US Hip Hop producers currently use.

US producers, playing sounds programmed by synth makers, who listen to house and techno.

 

[nomadologist]

These sounds are creeping into Hip Hop because these are the sounds that come as presets on the popular keyboards / workstations that most US Hip Hop producers currently use.

US producers, playing sounds programmed by synth makers, who listen to house and techno.

Sounds like a plausible explanation to me.

 

[Tactics]

to me

These sounds are creeping into Hip Hop because these are the sounds that come as presets on the popular keyboards / workstations that most US Hip Hop producers currently use.

US producers, playing sounds programmed by synth makers, who listen to house and techno.

that's a bit of robot headed thinking...like Swizz Beatz

"duh I guess I may aswell use the preset as it is cos...it came like that!"

that's no excuse imo. dilla and producers like that used the same things and came out with off the wall s***

don't forget sampling lawsuits and decreasing album budgets though!

 

[nomadologist]

Tactics--what do you mean when you say "no excuse"? Do you dislike this Snoop song? I've had it in my head all morning...

 

[Guybrush]

Didn’t some Ludacris song from a year ago or so sample Benny Benassi?

I really like the Usher song, btw. Not sure about the first 2 minutes, but as Swears points out, the jittery stop-start thing at the end is terrific.

EDIT: It was Ludacris & Field Mob’s ‘Ultimate Satisfaction’