Rock Against Racism '08

vimothy

yurp
Muslims are the new Jews, innit.
Not all the time.



...in Palestine, an Arabic translation of Mein Kampf was recently number six on the bestseller list, according to book traders in Ramallah.

Mein Kampf, the book Hitler wrote in prison before he rose to power in 1933, has become a bestseller in Turkey, provoking consternation.
The dreams of creating a master race are being snapped up by young Turks. Its publishers believe that more than 100,000 copies have been sold in the past two months.
 

ripley

Well-known member
It was really a bit of a playful dig aimed at John -- but for the record, it's not possible to be a "neo-liberal", i.e. a classical liberal, and socially illiberal at the same time.
what if you use the word "neo-liberal" to mean whatever you wish it to mean? ;)

that's amazing about the BNP trying to attract the Jewish vote..
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
Staff member
Yeah, there were running street battles in Whitechapel in the '30s between Jews (and no few non-Jewish anti-fascists) and Mosely's BUF, and there was more anti-semetic violence from neo-Nazis in the '50s. I should imagine the East End's Jews have a longer memory than that.
 

KernKätzchen

Well-known member
So I can grant that in the UK the effect might be different (although I would like to hear that from a woman from the UK say that, I have to say - not that women can't use words in a sexist way, but it does rankle a bit to have a group of men lecturing a woman about what's really sexist).
I'm a woman living in the UK. The word 'cunt' is normally used to describe men - or people in general - rather than women, and I certainly don't hear it as sexist at all when used in this manner. 'Cunt' is not normally used to describe a woman - at least I've never heard it used this way. If you want to insult a woman in the UK, 'bitch' or 'cow' are the gender-specific words to use. Hope that clears it up for you. :)
 

mistersloane

heavy heavy monster sound
I'm a woman living in the UK. The word 'cunt' is normally used to describe men - or people in general - rather than women, and I certainly don't hear it as sexist at all when used in this manner. 'Cunt' is not normally used to describe a woman - at least I've never heard it used this way. If you want to insult a woman in the UK, 'bitch' or 'cow' are the gender-specific words to use. Hope that clears it up for you. :)
I wish I could say that was the case, but in my manor - currently Bermondsey - cf 'Nil By Mouth', the film - that the epithet is used pretty much all the time, throughout sexes, unless it's a younger man, in which case they are called 'boy', a word which I personally have bigger problems with than 'cunt'.

I would agree with both Ripley and Stelfox about usages - to approach the word from a feminist perspective is entirely correct, and it's perpetually shocking within this forum to see a lack of feminist ideology - i.e literally people who haven't read shit and don't know what they're fucking talking about - chatting, but I also agree with Stel that it's an amazing word to say, assonance wise. Vim also correctly pointed out that it's also used as a term of affection, there seem to be three uses - admiration, affection, and abuse.

I spoke to a friend about this, and in Glasgow, from what the friend has said, that he has never heard the word referred to as a synonym for vagina, which is interesting. To the extent that at 15 they thought that the word meant 'bastard' only worse.

Like I said that's fascinating for me cos it's used every three words round our way.
 

craner

Beast of Burden
Nick Griffin's 2 big influences are Julius Evola and the Romanian Iron Guard. I always think that this should be mentioned every time he or his party appears in public.
 

john eden

male pale and stale
Yeah, there were running street battles in Whitechapel in the '30s between Jews (and no few non-Jewish anti-fascists) and Mosely's BUF, and there was more anti-semetic violence from neo-Nazis in the '50s. I should imagine the East End's Jews have a longer memory than that.
I wouldn't have thought they would be very successful with the intiative, but it was gobsmacking seeing Nick Griffin on Newsnight talking about the tradition of immigration into this country - Hugenots, jews, etc... but then going on to say that enough was enough and that all hard drugs were connected to Islam.
 

craner

Beast of Burden
Always worth checking out some of the old hits from Griffin's formative National Front proto-BNP milieu, such as comrade Derek Holland's tract The Political Soldier (1984),

a manifesto of the new NF elite of racial nationalism to counter "the forces of Evil swamping the entire globe in an ocean of Filth, Curruption and Treason." Both the global dark age and the past failures of the NF could only be rememdied by the Political Solider, a "New Type of Man." Holland evoked Codreanu's Legionary Movement of the Romanian Iron Guard, with its cult of death, as the outstanding example of political soldiery in the twentieth century: "[Men] will sacrifice anything and everything for the victory of their Ideal." The Islamic Revolutionary Guards of Iran were also cited as fanatical, spiritual warriors with a similar contempt for death. Evola's anti-modernity and warrior ethics of the "Holy War" led the NF "Political Soldiers," like their Italian models, to embrace pro-Islamic positions, with public support for the anti-Western, national revultionary regimes of Muammar Qaddafu abd Ruhollah Khomeini in Libya and Iran. By the end of 1989, Nick Griffin, Derek Holland and the Italians had finally left the NF to establish the International Third Position.
Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke Black Sun
 

crackerjack

Well-known member
I wouldn't have thought they would be very successful with the intiative, but it was gobsmacking seeing Nick Griffin on Newsnight talking about the tradition of immigration into this country - Hugenots, jews, etc... but then going on to say that enough was enough and that all hard drugs were connected to Islam.
The good (!) thing about them is that you barely have to scrtatch the surface to see how little they've really changed.

One candidate, Nick Eriksen, was sacked this month after the Evening Standard reported that he had described rape as a "myth" and said that "some women are like gongs - they need to be struck regularly".
Interesting how their mayoral candidate was a gay porn director. Wasn't homosexuality one of the reasons why they split from the NF (which reputedly had quite a few gays in the heirarchy)- or did i just imagine that?
 

craner

Beast of Burden
Wasn't homosexuality one of the reasons why they split from the NF (which reputedly had quite a few gays in the heirarchy)- or did i just imagine that?

No, it's true.
 
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