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  1. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    A couple other relevant bits from Haaretz Lebanese govt basically begging Hezbollah not to get stuck in bc of how messed up Lebanon is rn and the devastation and Israeli invasion would cause. And a number of senior Israeli defense officials (albeit mostly retired ones) backing an "all for...
  2. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    Back to relevant news Haaretz remains the only major Israeli media outlet worth following (that I know of at least). Behind a paywall but I'll c+p a couple relevant bits. On settler extremism On Israeli anger at Netanyahu. The context is a tweet he posted falsely claiming that didn't ignore...
  3. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    As always, not going to take your typical sealioning bait, but just to clarify your typical thing of trying to put words in my mouth to make it seem as if we agree. None of this happened. Your opinions on trans rights are bad because they're bad opinions, as well as generally quite ignorant...
  4. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    Back on topic, Blinken said today that the endgame in Gaza should be a handover to the Palestinian Authority, so the groundwork for that eventuality is already being laid
  5. padraig (u.s.)

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    It's been crystal clear from day one People yelling about cancel culture are generally the same exact people who want to ban books, ban queer people from public life, mandate their own fantasy version of history (i.e. "slavery taught slaves useful skills"), etc. Scratch a self-proclaimed free...
  6. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    I appreciate yr efforts at common sense but cmon dude this whole line of attack is so dumb that it's not worth engaging. I mean "haha dissensus more like CONsensus amirite" is on the level of I'm rubber you're glue, when you hear it coming from an adult you just feel embarrassed for them...
  7. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    I don't think anything will help tbh. I don't even know if the unthinkable, a public American govt disavowal, would stop it. not that it's forthcoming, either way strangely enough, U.S. military aid might get held up at least temporarily by House GOP infighting
  8. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    this is certainly the worst it's ever been. apartheid has always accurately described the situation of Palestinians in the territories but I would've always, with the possible exception of Sabra and Shatila, strenuously disputed "genocide" before this terrible siege. idk what else to call...
  9. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    depressingly, I find something like this to be the most likely outcome again, the response - both physical response and rhetorical - to previous attacks has left Israeli leadership with very few options, especially this group of far-right Israeli leadership which is largely beholden to...
  10. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    On ne peut point regner innocemment
  11. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    That ain't morality, boss You can one have one or other but not both
  12. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    I mean jfc look at the Congress of Vienna which is as textbook a formal international settlement as you can get. Literally Metternich's whole deal was a balance of self-interests to prevent another general European conflict.
  13. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    And who decides this universal morality to which the laws are tied? You, vimothy? Someone else? What universal arbiter of morality exists
  14. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    The basis of any international agreement is a balance of self-interests
  15. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    Semantics You know exactly what I mean There is no universal morality. Laws are exactly an expression of whoever made them.
  16. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    why? Besides "bc I say so" I mean
  17. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    To get back on topic, the immediate point is that whether or not it's even feasible (which I doubt) indisputably no international institution currently exists which is likely to serve as a means to solve Isr/Pal Certainly the UN Security Council ain't it
  18. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    But we're way into some IR tangent
  19. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    Yes it's almost as if laws have no inherent connection to morality
  20. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    As I said to begin, lip service is better than nothing. Another of saying it is a useful fiction. If govts have to say that they care about human rights qua human rights instead of realpolitik, it might mitigate their behavior. An ICC that prosecutes leaders who aren't powerful enough to prevent...
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